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Slik October 29, 2010 12:36 PM

OK to install 2+ A.V. Programs?
 
Title pretty much says it. With Win. 7,Can you have two or three Anti Virus loaded on your Comp.? Will there be conflicts? I don't mean scanning at the same time, I mean installed and activated. Will Windows 7 allow this? Thanks for any help.

frontier204 October 29, 2010 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 443932)
Can you have two or three Anti Virus loaded on your Comp.?
Will there be conflicts?
I don't mean scanning at the same time, I mean installed and activated. Will Windows 7 allow this?
Thanks for any help.

In the order of your questions:
It's been done but it's very much not recommended
Most likely
It's probably possible but I wouldn't try it

I had enough issues when Windows Defender and Norton tried to have their services active at the same time, to the point where I disable Windows Defender's service and Windows Firewall if I use a third-party AV. I think most security software say on their own web page not to run multiple antivirus at the same time, and for good reason. Depending on how they integrate with Windows, the AVs may conflict with each other, not to mention hit you with quite a performance penalty if it happens to work.

Why would you want to run a combination of antivirus anyway?

AkG October 29, 2010 12:47 PM

TBH, yes you can run multiple AVs but most users do not need to do it.
You are much better off running ONE AV (nod32, kasper, MSE, avira, etc) and ONE AM/AS program such as malwarebytes (paid FULL version). then 2 AV and no anti-malware/anti-spyware programs. :)

I personally use Avira + malwarebytes on some systems. On others I use nod32 + malwarebytes, and on one system I run a copy of windows INSIDE a sandbox (vmware) for when Im doing "interesting" things. ;)

Slik October 29, 2010 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frontier204 (Post 443937)
In the order of your questions:
It's been done but it's very much not recommended
Most likely
It's probably possible but I wouldn't try it

I had enough issues when Windows Defender and Norton tried to have their services active at the same time, to the point where I disable Windows Defender's service and Windows Firewall if I use a third-party AV. I think most security software say on their own web page not to run multiple antivirus at the same time, and for good reason. Depending on how they integrate with Windows, the AVs may conflict with each other, not to mention hit you with quite a performance penalty if it happens to work.

Why would you want to run a combination of antivirus anyway?

Thanks for the quick response. I thought Win. 7 would be ok with it. I wanted more than one, thinking that if A missed a bug,then B or C would catch it. Am I wasting time? Thanks again.

sswilson October 29, 2010 12:53 PM

You can have as many AV utilities on your PC as you want so long as they aren't running in the background at the same time. If you have more than one running as a background/service you stand a very good chance of having a conflict between the programs (AV progs by nature require deep access to your OS and don't like it when other programs are attempting to use/control the same resources). Once you've got an AV conflict it can often be verrrryyyyy difficult to restore full functionality without a system restore/reinstall.

Dr_BenD_over October 29, 2010 01:05 PM

I've found more than one = not being able to use the damn computer.

DCCV44.2223 October 29, 2010 01:10 PM

Generally no. All full featured AV programs scans "on access", i.e., whenever you access a file it's automatically scanned. So if you have 2+ AV running at the same time they'll get in the way of each other. Many AVs will not install if it detect another AV is already present.

Exception is with "on demand" only AV programs such as Malwarebytes that are not automatically loaded and will only scan files on demand. But in such capacity they function more as "cleaner" than as "protection".

There are stuff out there such as HIDS that may augment AV protection, however, if you are thinking of "specialised" scanners such as anti-trojans/adware/spywares, they're not really needed anymore since most of the better AV will include those in their signature databases. If you have something in mind Let me know what your needs are and maybe I can offer a couple of suggestions.

Shadowmeph October 29, 2010 01:14 PM

I have 2 or three portable antivirus that way if my computer ever gets infected ( which hasn't happened in a long time) it won't screw up the anyti virus becasue it isn't installed , all I need to do is insert the usb pendrive and run it . also it doesn't need to be running all of the time, the only times you need antivirus is when you are not running your email program or web browser sandboxed and you download or pic up a email that has a virus or trojan attached

AkG October 29, 2010 01:20 PM

The idea that a good anti-malware program like malwarebytes is NOT needed because "most of the better AV will include those in their signature databases" is laughable. AV's are great at catching VIRUS' but out and out suck at malware. They are getting better but they are nowhere close to being to the point where you can get the equivalent of malwarebytes (or to a lesser extent SAS) in a "all in one" AV program. AV programs are just too slow at updates compared to once an hour updates mbytes has.

IMHO It is better to run free AV and pay the one time fee for Malwarebytes than it is to pay for an AV program and rely solely on it. IMHO avira personal + full version malwarebytes is a damn good combo and I have yet to see any issue crop up from using them together. I have yet to see any issue crop up from MS essentials + malwarebytes (another decent combo) and I have yet to see any issue crop up with NOD32+ malwarebytes (also a very good combo).

YMMV

DCCV44.2223 October 29, 2010 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AkG (Post 443960)
AV's are great at catching VIRUS' but out and out suck at malware.

"Virus" is the traditional descriptor for all malware, including virus (file infector), worms, trojans, backdoors, bots, dialers, etc., because in the old days the majority of malware are file infector viruses.

Nowadays most malware are trojans and all AV will try to detect them. Take a look at the results of AV-Comparative, it lists the various categories detected by the AV. Note that adwares and spyware are not listed since most of them are trojans.

http://www.av-comparatives.org/image...od_aug2010.pdf

Quote:

AV programs are just too slow at updates compared to once an hour updates mbytes has.
Many AV provides hourly updates when necessary, some like Norton can provide updates even more frequently than that. Most of the big AV vendors are also implementing "cloud" based technology, which basically means that the AV will query the vendor's servers on suspicious files instead of waiting for an update. It's currently the quickest way to respond to new threats.

Signature based detection rate for brand new variants is pretty bad across the board for all antivirus/antimalware, we're seeing more than 5000 new samples a day, so even with hourly updates, you're going to miss a few (not to mention that you need yo capture a sample first before you can generate a signature). That's why most of the better AV include non-signature based detection modules.


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