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Windows ME? You're reaching for straws, though. What's the market share for Windows ME?
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Google is supporting Chrome no matter your OS. Same with Mozilla and Firefox.
You didn't mention market share as a prerequisite. I think ME has similar market share as Android 2.2, now if Chrome supports the latter...
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about the same as nix?

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At least 'nix gets updates!
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At least 'nix gets updates!
OT but what the hell.

Sooo variants of Linux that have been EOL'ed still get official updates? I call BS on that.

Please show me a recent update for oh an early version of Fedora that have been EOL'ed. Same for Suse or any other distro with EOL'ed versions. And NO upgrades to later versions is NOT updating. Otherwise Win 7 is just an "update" to win 1.

As with the evvvviillllll MS nix have planned obsolesce too.
The cost of upgrading to a new version of nix might be lower but they still do planned obsolescence. Hell many nix distros have SHORTER EOL dates than windows. Show me some distros from nearly a decade ago that get regular updates like XP still does.
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Uhmm..... WindowsXP isn't being crippled. It's working exactly the same as it's always been. Just cause newer software doesn't work on it doesn't mean much... just use different software.
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I'm pretty fine with them phasing out XP. Win7 is decent, we're currently having some "beta enterprise tester" where I work, and no issue have come up so far. and seriously, Ubuntu support is 1 year and a half, and 3 years for major release which happen every 2 years. and 5 years IIRC for server editions. This is plenty enough. If microsoft had come up with something earlier and better than vista, XP would have a lesser market share these days.
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Shouldn't this thread be called "Microsoft killing XP"?

Saying "Windows killing XP" sounds like what an AOL or Hotmail user would write.
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Windows and MS are relatively interchangeable? But, if it makes you feel any better, you can imagine it really states MS.

Redhat, considered a server distro, is upgraded to 6.2 and with a recent kernel. The other distros from 2008 (around the same time as XP SP3) can be upgraded as well and can use updated software. Firefox 4 could be used at those versions. You can look it up. There's no restrictions based on versions or new software. So, trying to compare XP to them seems like irrelevant or nonsense to me. Some of the operating systems are free while others have commerical support usually for servers but there's not restrictions of certain software (unless you speak of proprietary). Not a good comparison but even if you do compare, MS loses anyway.
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I believe you are missing his point. A quick look up at Fedora counters some of your argument. Below was taken from Wiki which combines the information from Fedora's website Releases - FedoraProject into an easier to read table.

Red means its not supported, lets see only 2 versions of Fedora are actually supported by Red Hat, but wait we go back to 2003 and that version is no longer supported, nor are version up until last year.
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Windows and MS are relatively interchangeable? But, if it makes you feel any better, you can imagine it really states MS.

Redhat, considered a server distro, is upgraded to 6.2 and with a recent kernel. The other distros from 2008 (around the same time as XP SP3) can be upgraded as well and can use updated software. Firefox 4 could be used at those versions. You can look it up. There's no restrictions based on versions or new software. So, trying to compare XP to them seems like irrelevant or nonsense to me. Some of the operating systems are free while others have commerical support usually for servers but there's not restrictions of certain software (unless you speak of proprietary). Not a good comparison but even if you do compare, MS loses anyway.

LOL now THAT is just funny. Comparing server nix to ME. You want to talk about how evil MS is for limiting SOME nonessential updates on their nearly decade old OS...but dont want to look at the state of things on the other side of the equation.

Name ONE home envrio nix distro from Y2K that is still supported and providing even ESSENTIAL updates for it. Lets say you grab a copy of Fedora 2. Can you get security updates for it. According to their site...nope. You cant even get it for more recent versions say Fedora 11. They specifically tell you to upgrade to a new version to get security updates. For many people its not just about cost but the hassle of having to upgrade.

Ok so lets say you want to argue that XP is more corporate. Fine lets look at CentOS. Can you get updates for CentOS2 that came out merely 6 yrs ago? nope.

Ok lets go over to RHEL. Which is on a very good SEVEN year production cycle. But thats still shorter then XP....AND in the last stage you are NOT getting non essential updates (IIRC called software enhancements). So once again how is it that nix crowd are doing things "better"? Seems like planned obsolescence to me.

Give it up man. Your digging a hole on this issue and you know it. THAT or you are so blinded by hatred for MS that it defines everything you think about software.

You want to complain that IE 9 not going to XP is so bad. When people go "meh...so what". You then try to turn it into a rant that IE is what killing the internet. Then its anyone who doesnt agree with your is paid off and getting kickback. THEN you want to claim that nix does things better and supports their products longer that "winblows".

Im just waiting to see what your next rant is going to be on. Srrsly. Go ahead. You are making a WONDERFUL case for why nix is ready for prime time and we should all drink the nix flavored kolaid.

Please keeping ranting and frothing. Its enjoyable to watch and certainly helps break up a slow day.
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LOL now THAT is just funny. Comparing server nix to ME. You want to talk about how evil MS is for limiting SOME nonessential updates on their nearly decade old OS...but dont want to look at the state of things on the other side of the equation.

Name ONE home envrio nix distro from Y2K that is still supported and providing even ESSENTIAL updates for it. Lets say you grab a copy of Fedora 2. Can you get security updates for it. According to their site...nope. You cant even get it for more recent versions say Fedora 11. They specifically tell you to upgrade to a new version to get security updates. For many people its not just about cost but the hassle of having to upgrade.

Ok so lets say you want to argue that XP is more corporate. Fine lets look at CentOS. Can you get updates for CentOS2 that came out merely 6 yrs ago? nope.

Ok lets go over to RHEL. Which is on a very good SEVEN year production cycle. But thats still shorter then XP....AND in the last stage you are NOT getting non essential updates (IIRC called software enhancements). So once again how is it that nix crowd are doing things "better"? Seems like planned obsolescence to me.

Give it up man. Your digging a hole on this issue and you know it. THAT or you are so blinded by hatred for MS that it defines everything you think about software.

You want to complain that IE 9 not going to XP is so bad. When people go "meh...so what". You then try to turn it into a rant that IE is what killing the internet. Then its anyone who doesnt agree with your is paid off and getting kickback. THEN you want to claim that nix does things better and supports their products longer that "winblows".

Im just waiting to see what your next rant is going to be on. Srrsly. Go ahead. You are making a WONDERFUL case for why nix is ready for prime time and we should all drink the nix flavored kolaid.

Please keeping ranting and frothing. Its enjoyable to watch and certainly helps break up a slow day.
Who is going to use Fedora 2 today? Tell, genius? Who? Aren't you already quoted for mocking Linux, anyway?

XP is used by over 50% of the Computer world so I don't know why you're even trying to compare to Linux distros unless you just want to stir things up or argue with me. MS updated their main and only browser to not work with this OS. That's what the thread was about. I make points about MS's business policies and this is another. That's all I was doing. I don't even know what your point is. MS tries to narrow the market and do thing differently than the rest of the IT world. Linux has open source options and many options for commercial operating systems, server operating systems and constantly updates kernels and software packages. Restrictions and limits are frowned upon but only accepted when required. No one is forcing people to totally change to a different OS. Yes, people can use a different browser or maybe they should move to Windows 7 if they need to remain in the Windows world but they're the only company that is making so their main browser only works in one of their two operating systems. That's the point. If people refuse to see the business implications, they are either obtuse or indifferent. Regardless of which one, it doesn't change the situation.

I don't have any personal grudge towards MS per se but I sure wouldn't be giving any prizes to them for business ethics.

Like I said, I am considering Windows 7 because I want to be up to date with Computer software even from the Windows/MS side. It doesn't mean I'm a fan and other Linux/Apple people are even more ant-MS as they don't use Windows at all. So, why so defensive if I post something that puts MS in a negative light or if I bash them when it's deserved? No one is going to care anyway. MS is too huge and people are used to using Windows so they're not going to abandon it because I said something 'mean' about poor MS.

Edit: These distro versions are easily upgraded for the most part. Sure, there are horror stories of something breaking but generally, they can be updated. You're not being required to buy an entire new OS or have certain software abruptly not supported anymore. I'm not sure XP and those distros are comparable but I'm sure someone who wants to spend the time doing so could and I would bet money that XP will be the loser in the discussion. I just don't care to examine it since the argument would just ping pong all over the place with no point. You feel MS is justified with their policies regarding XP and that's fine. But, until other browsers no longer work in XP or other operating systems, I choose to disagree with you on that issue. Not a big deal, right? Peace..

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