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Old July 2, 2008, 08:30 PM
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Hi everyone, found this site through the refering link on directcanada.com I have picked my hardware from their as I have had friends order from them previously. I am relatively savvy on hardware, but with any new system, for myself, I like to get as much input before ordering (I am still using an old build P4 3Ghz :S ).

I have been holding off for months and months... well probably years now :) But I think its a good time, and the new Radeons are really tempting and a great price. I am going to only be moving over a 400GB and a few 250GB SATA drives from my old system, so having the 8 SATA ports is a big bonus.

Well the specs I have so far are:

Model and Price (CAD)
CPU: Intel Q6600 2.4Ghz 8MB Cache 1066FSB $208.88
Motherboard: Asus P5Q Pro (8 SATA) $139.99
RAM:
G.SKILL F2-8000 5-5-5-15 4GB 2X2GB $97.20
Harddrive:
WD 640GB 7200RPM 16MB SATA $84.88 x 2 = $169.76
Optical:
Samsung 203S Trudirect 20X Sata $26.99
Video (Crossfire):
Powercolor Radeon HD 4850 512MB $192.92 x 2 = $385.84
Case: Antec Three Hundred $52.33
Case Fans:
Antec TriCool 120MM Case Fan 3-SPEED $6.94 x 2 =$13.88
Power supply: Coolermaster Extreme Power 650W $70.20
CPU Cooling: Noctua NH-U12P Heatsink $54.99
2nd CPU Fan:
Noctua NF-P12-1300 120MM Ultra Quiet $17.99
Mousepad:
Ratpadz GS Gaming Surface $6.49
Total:
$1244.54

I am not 100% set on anything still, and am open to suggestions. The parts that concern me the most are the power supply and Case. I picked the Antec Three Hundred because its a great bargan at $52, and adding the additional case cooling brings it to $66, I am tempted to spend the extra on perhaps the Nine hundred which i have built with for friends before, or the P182 which I have built for clients before and I love the back plate cable management, but it has some issues with different power supplys. But I think the 300 should offer great cooling with the 4 120mm 3 speed fans, even if I set them to run at 1300RPM.

I may also splurge and get a second 4GB memkit for 8GB as I would like to play in virtualization and other heavy cpu/mem applications.

Anyway I am typing too much, let me know what you think. And I am open to suggestions and reviews.
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Old July 2, 2008, 08:51 PM
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G.Skill ram is good, but i haven't ever used it. For about the same price you should pick up a set of mushkin ram, it is very well respected and if you have any problems they are very good with customer support. Also i would suggest a pioneer dvd drive rather then a samsung, they are much higher quality.
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Old July 2, 2008, 08:57 PM
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Welcome to the forums! The system looks like a really nice gaming PC. For a gaming PC, a E8400 would be a better choice as it will overclock to 3.8GHz to 4.2GHz, while the Q6600 usually ranges between 3.5GHz and 3.8GHz (though I believe 3.8 on air is rare). But at the same time a quad is useful for many multi-threaded tasks, and once more games are multi-threaded beyond two cores, it will be much faster. The case I would not recommend. I've had no experience with it, but in a Maximum PC magazine I got at the airport, they gave the Antec 300 a terrible rating (looking for the magazine after I post this). I've heard many mixed things about the 900, but the P182 I've heard lots of good things about. The last thing is I'd recommend getting the TRUE, or one of thost HDT heatsinks (someone else shed some light on the good ones, I'm not sure) with 2 x D12SL-12 Yate Loons as they are quieter and provide more airflow than the Noctua's (See this mini-review by Vapor at XS: Fan Mini-Review: Battle of the Big Name ~50CFM Fans - XtremeSystems Forums they move aroudn 2-3CFM more and are about 3-4dba quieter).
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Old July 2, 2008, 09:15 PM
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Unless you aim to OC it, I'd recommend an E8400 or something similar, it would perform better for games, unless you are going to be doing other things than gaming. For the powersupply, Corsairs are great, don't know anything about CM.

The 300 is a nice case, and the airflow is pretty decent, the fan on top moves a LOT of air and the side panel fan will do well to vent air away from your videocards. At its price its not that hard to be a good case, with all the usual Antec build quality.

Other than that, a great looking build.

P.S. For the customer service, NCIX is usually VERY good, and they will price match to everything to anything on directcanada or any other site.

Edit: DAMN that guy, hes damn fast.
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Welcome.

I think that PSU may struggle imho with only 18A on each 12 Volt Rail for 2 x 4850 in Crossfire, I would aim for something with higher rails.
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Old July 2, 2008, 11:15 PM
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You can skip my boring writing and goto the summary if you want.

I have changed the cart to include 4 x Yate Loon D12SL-12 fans and removed both the Noctua NF-P12-1300 120MM Ultra Quiet and the 2 Antec TriCool 120MM. The price has only increased $0.09 and I end up with 1 extra fans. I can use 2 of the D12SL-12 on the Noctua heatsink in push pull, use the included noctua on the case side panel, and use the other two Yate Loons on the front intakes.

Changed the
Samsung 203S 20X to a Pioneer DVR-212D 18X.

Sticking with the Q6600 just because the price is nice and I would like the Quad for virtualization in linux/windows plus it seems more future proof, I did consider the E8400 and the 45nm is tempting, I was thinking of spending the extra ~$80 for the Q9300, I would assume it would have a bit more overclocking room over the Q6600, but I would be hoping that I can hit the 3.2-3.6Ghz range on the Q6600 with the cooling I have picked.

The reason for my choice of the G.Skill was purely for price plus they are a good name, but now that I looked DC does have the Redline 2x2 from
Mushkin and its only $118.72 so only $21.52 more which I think is worth so I changed.

I have also taken the advice to change to the Corsair TX650W 650W ATX 12V is 52A its $91.35 so only $21 more. I was not really happy with my original Coolermaster choice to begin with and the Corsair connectors are perfect for my setup (24pin ATX, 8pin ATX 12v, 2 8/6 pin PCI-E for the 4850s, 8 sata, and 8 4-pin) should leave me with 2 free SATA, and 4-6 free 4-pin.

Summary:
Added 4 Yate Loon D12SL-12 fans / removed 2 antec tri and 1 noctua
Added Pioneer DVR-212D / removed Samsung 203S
Added Mushkin Redline 4GB PC2-8000 5-5-5-12 / removed G.Skill
Added Corsair TX650W / removed Coolermaster 650W
Total Additional Cost: $42.72

Now I am considering a change in case as the Antec Three hundred was an inital want mainly because it offers such a great value, especially for an Antec case. Whenever I build a system for a client I always usually get the current generation Antec Sonata because of the powersupply bundle.

I am worried that the 300 case only offers 46.5cm/18.3"(D) vs say the 900 53.6cm/21.1"(D) especially since I will be installing two of the HD4850 cards along with 5 harddrives total. I may wish to choose another case and bite the bullet on the cost. Any recommendations? Also I would like to keep the noise level somewhat contained.

Again thanks everyone your input is much appreciated, and surprisingly extremely knowledgable, in compaired to the many forums on the net that I have seen. I will much enjoy reading and contributing to these boards from now on.
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Old July 2, 2008, 11:45 PM
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Welcome to the HWC forums! The first thing I was going to suggest was to lose those Antec tricool fans but you beat me to it! All 3 that came with my P180 have died/become terribly noisy, so good choice on ditching those. Since you are definitely sticking with a quadcore, may I also recommend going for a 45nm? ie the q9300 or q9450. I don't know if you are interested in getting an OEM version due to the difference in warranty, but the q9450 OEM is on sale for 319.99 on NCIX. CanadaRoX recommended a TRUE, it would be a great choice but the HSF combo you have chosen should be just fine as well, that cooler has gotten great reviews. Good luck with the build!
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Old July 3, 2008, 12:49 AM
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Welcome dualboy24 . The CoolerMaster 690 is a lot of case for ~$70..vs. ~$100 for the Antec 900..... but unfortunately i see that they're out of stock @ DC. The Q6600 is a lot cheaper and will overclock easier than the Q9300.. due to the crappy 7.5x multiplier(Q9300). Although the Q9300 has better IPC, 3.6GHz will take 480FSB... not easy on quads and/or chipsets...whereas the Q6600 only needs 400FSB. Thermalright Ultra120 Extreme is a must-have for quad overclocking with air. GL on the build.
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Old July 3, 2008, 02:10 AM
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Mushkin's Redline available @ NCIX for $109 right now + 20 MIR. Just a heads up.
Otherwise that looks like a solid build, decent price too *thumbs up*
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Old July 3, 2008, 04:58 AM
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I concur on the Coolermaster CM690 case. A great case for the $.
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