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Old June 4, 2014, 06:27 AM
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Talking $1k build

My sons friend is looking to build his first machine... purely for gaming. He has $1k (USD) budget (doesnt need a monitor or other peripherals)

opinions on this?

Intel Core i5-4670K, MSI Radeon R9 280X, NZXT Phantom 530 (White) - System Build - PCPartPicker

I know it could be tweaked and I could save some on the MB and CPU but I kinda like the z97 and the unlocked cpu.

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Old June 4, 2014, 11:53 AM
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I don't think you are going for components that will bring you the best performance for your money.
You get a 1k build for gaming and no SSD? Really? I edited your system : Intel Core i3-4130, MSI Radeon R9 280X, NZXT Phantom 530 (White) - System Build - PCPartPicker
And now the explanations :
CPU : Haswell is already a very strong architecture, but when we think gaming, nobody is thinking Core i3 CPUs, everybody jumps at the K skus, no matter what.
Yes sure offers better performance, ut how much better, and is it worth the price delta?
Review here Intel Core i3-4340, Core i3-4330 and Core i3-4130 Review. Page 5 - X-bit labs shows max 10% gaming performance delta for 50% more price! Overrated!
Throw away the K sku CPU and the fancy mobo and the high performance cooler, and the lame mid end HDD and you get a 480GB SSD!
Haswell CPU cannot make use of memory higher than 1600 MHz. The kit I chose for you is also rated at CAS7!
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Old June 4, 2014, 12:12 PM
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1) thank you :)
2) In some cases, the difference between the i3 and i5 are 10 fps, that could be the diff of a playable 30fps and non playable 20... plus it can be overclocked (I can gain 10fps on some games even on my core 2 duo by overclocking from 3.16 to 3.6 - so there is extra value there.
3) the SSD... i am still weary about them and have heard many failure stories.. more so than reg HDD's - and 480gb is not even half the storage...Maybe I can tweak it to have both a smaller SSD for the OS?
4) I swear I read somewhere the with the new haswell chips you can get a little benefit from 1866 and the price diff is gen only a few $ :)

Let me play a little ... many thanks Marstg!!
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Old June 4, 2014, 12:17 PM
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The review that I sent you was not showing 10% difference from 20 to 30 fps, was showing from 56 to 60 at 1080P. If you don't want a SSD, at least go with a fast drive, like a Seagate hybrid, or a 10k RPM drive, but WD Blue is a mid end drive, intended more for storage.
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Old June 4, 2014, 02:17 PM
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I agree with comments so far, but view them differently. Personally I like a solid foundation, which is a decent motherboard, ram, power supply, and, for gaming, an i5. Once you have that move on to the other parts. For a gaming rig getting the best gpu for you resolution that leaves you enough budget for your other parts. An ssd does make a substantial difference, so if you can fit it in the budget, whether you need and hdd or not for additional storage, do it! If you can't it is very easy to add one once funds permit. If you get a good reliable one you shouldn't have any issues.

The other option is to save on the CPU, as mentioned, and put that money towards an ssd.

Basically with a budget it comes down to how well rounded you want the computer to be, and what you value most...load times, responsiveness, pure fps, etc.
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Old June 4, 2014, 02:24 PM
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Forgot to say that personally I think your choices are pretty good. If the CPU will not be overclocked you could save money by going to a lower end i5 (any 45xx or 46xx). Also I am not a fan of the case you chose, and would rather get a cheaper case with good airflow and put that money towards an ssd.
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Old June 4, 2014, 11:24 PM
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I think you made the best choices for your $1,000 ceiling, but the best value is just a few $$ north of that.

G.Skill Trident 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (F3-2400C10D-8GTD) - PCPartPicker

Basically newer RAM kit with faster 2400Hz for almost the same price and looks to match your motherboard.

Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - Newegg.com

PCpartpicker didn't list this brand new part, but this is the first 16nm flash (smallest size yet) and cheapest SSD with good performance and reliability. This is how you will experience new gen!

Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (GV-R929OC-4GD) - PCPartPicker

For $80 more you can move to the next gen R9 290. If you're paying $300, what's an extra $80 for performance to match a $500 Nvidia card??? You might not like it sir but your son will thank me

XFX XTR 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (P1-650B-BEFX) - PCPartPicker

Nothing wrong with your bronze Seasonic, but this is also a higher end gold rated (also Seasonic OEM) unit for $10 more. Much much better, stable and quite with hybrid fan mode.

So price went up $200 extra but what a difference these parts would make!

I won't touch the case and motherboard as it's a matter of taste and what you need for looks, expansion and overclocking, but I find Asus motherboards the best for beginners. I also think ATX is more than you need. matx or mitx might be better. Cases I like Corsair or Fractal if I'm on a tight budget.

Good luck!
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Old June 5, 2014, 07:49 AM
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yeah $200 more puts him out of his budget (if it were my son, I would just fork it over lol, but its his friend)

I will tell him to look at other case choices as well. As far as Asus, i love their stuff but seems to be more $ for the same level as the MSI.

I will mention the SSD as well... but heres a ? about that
Is it a good option to get a small one (like 128gb) and put just the OS on it? using a red HD for storage?
He will fill an SSD like that size in no time (loves music, has tons.. plus photos etc)
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Old June 6, 2014, 03:01 AM
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That's what I'm doing now. OS, 3 to 5 new Games and various apps on my 128GB SSD and videos, music, all sorts of files and older games on my 1TB green. But I built that rig a long time ago. Now you can get the Crucial MX100 256GB for $105. the 128GB is $70 so it's not as good a deal. If I can only afford 1 drive an ssd would be the priority and skip the HDD, only to get it later or just use an external drive for media files or when my SSD fills up.
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you might even want to wait a week till the new Unlocked Pentium will be out. Scan overclocks Pentium G3258 to 4.5GHz | bit-tech.net
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