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Old May 13, 2014, 03:13 AM
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Question Building Mini-ITX/Micro-ATX ($1,000-$1,300) - Need help picking the case!

1.PC will be used for: SFF Gaming and easy transportation.
2. Budget: $1,000-$1,300
3. Country: USA. Will mostly be buying from online retailers.
4. Brand preference: A little Intel-Nvidia fan. However, wouldn't mind going for Radeon GPUs since they caught up to Nvidia.
5. Re-usables: Nope.
6.Read similar threads: Yes, but im indecisive.
7. Plan to overclock: CPU, No. GPU, Yes but only a little.
8. Date to build: Sometime within 1-3 months. I need to sell my full HAF X PC. I'll be getting a smaller system but with better components.
9. Resolution: Single monitor, 1680x1050. I may get a 1080 monitor later on though.
10. Specific technologies: SSD housing OS and a few select programs (so around 128gbs), USB 3.0, At least one PCIE 3.0, silent case/fans, and good cooling (either AIO, full water, or air).

Hello,

I'm building a new smaller PC for myself and a fellow friend. I already have a large HAF X enthusiast system but I plan on selling it. I built that in 2012 and it cost me $1,800. I hope to sell it to at least cover some of this new build's cost. I need help on making a few decisions on my build.

This is what I've came up with so far:
Micro-ATX Build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690S 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 57.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($31.30 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI H97M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB ACX Video Card ($329.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Silverstone SG09B (Black) MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($75.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1089.64
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-13 06:09 EDT-0400)

Mini-ITX Build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690S 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 57.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($31.30 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus H97I-PLUS Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB ACX Video Card ($329.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 250D Mini ITX Tower Case ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($75.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1096.65
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-13 06:09 EDT-0400)

SFF Mini-ITX Build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690S 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus H97I-PLUS Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB ACX Video Card ($329.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: EVGA Hadron Hydro Mini ITX Tower Case w/500W Power Supply ($146.59 @ Newegg)
Other: EVGA 100-WC-S201-BR Watercooling Kit for Hadron Hydro ($166.99)
Total: $1217.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-13 06:10 EDT-0400)

Here are my issues. The difference between both builds is $10, the motherboards, and case. I figured that a mITX chassis would be smaller than an mATX. Apparently the Silverstone SG09/SG10 lineup is mITX/mATX and it's only 23 liters in volume while the Corsair Obsidian 250D is 28.2 liters in volume.

Other cases I've reviewed was the Prodigy M (36 liter volume), Betfinix Colossus(30.8 liter volume), Silverstone TJ08-E (30 liter volume), Hadron Air/Hydro (15.88 liter volume, would probably have to go water cooled), and Raven RVZ01 (14 liter volume, most likely have to go water cooled)

I don't mind having a 30 liter volume case as long as it has exceptional airflow. I believe Corsair's Obsidian 250D is larger than the mATX SG09/SG10 because Corsair has exceptional water cooling capabilities, such as the H100i.

As you can tell, I didn't grab an unlock "K" CPU because I won't be overclocking my CPU. I may wait for the Haswell 'Refresher' lineup to arrive, which should be within a few weeks, and just grab a H97 or Z97, although I have no need to get the Z-series chipset other than better build quality. I may overclock the GPU to match EVGA's overclocks.
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TL;DR: SG09/SG10 vs 250D vs RVZ01 vs Hadron Air/Hydro? mATX vs mITX? If you own any of these cases then your opinion is greatly valued. If you guys have any suggestions on the other components, then feel free to let me know. I've built three systems so far so I would classify myself as rather noobish. Thanks.
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Old May 13, 2014, 01:00 PM
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I personally will not even consider the Hadron case. With the 250D you can stick a lot of fans in there for just air cooling since you're not going to overclock anyway. I'm still skeptical of Samsung SSD given the horrid warranty stories and I would go with Crucial or Intel SSD.
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Old May 13, 2014, 01:18 PM
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I personally will not even consider the Hadron case. With the 250D you can stick a lot of fans in there for just air cooling since you're not going to overclock anyway. I'm still skeptical of Samsung SSD given the horrid warranty stories and I would go with Crucial or Intel SSD.
Samsung 840 Pro SSD is one of the best SSDs out there. I actully own one, 2 years so far, and it's the same one i'm buying. I'm selling my current setup so I'll just be re-buying that SSD. Intel and Crucial SSDs pale in comparison.

I do agree that 250D is an amazing case, although its really large and is meant for water cooling (H100i). I am consider it versus the SG09.
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Old May 13, 2014, 04:43 PM
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What about the Fractal Design Node 304 for mITX, or Node 804 for mATX?

Both of those could use a full tower cooler or 120mm Rad, and enough room for an ATX PSU. As a bonus the 304 also comes in white, if that's your thing.

The thing to ask yourself re: mITX vs mATX is expandability down the line. mATX(depending on Mobo) could allow SLI/Crossfire, Sound card or other expansion cards, while mITX offers a greatly reduced footprint.

Personally, I'm looking at mITX(for HWR-DC/BW) Raven Z 01 or Milo 07 for my next build. Or...if I decide to go mATX again (for HW-E), Silverstone SG10 or PS07(White). (Why yes, I do like Silverstones)
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Old May 13, 2014, 04:50 PM
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What about the Fractal Design Node 304 for mITX, or Node 804 for mATX?

Both of those could use a full tower cooler or 120mm Rad, and enough room for an ATX PSU. As a bonus the 304 also comes in white, if that's your thing.

The thing to ask yourself re: mITX vs mATX is expandability down the line. mATX(depending on Mobo) could allow SLI/Crossfire, Sound card or other expansion cards, while mITX offers a greatly reduced footprint.

Personally, I'm looking at mITX(for HWR-DC/BW) Raven Z 01 or Milo 07 for my next build. Or...if I decide to go mATX again (for HW-E), Silverstone SG10 or PS07(White). (Why yes, I do like Silverstones)
I ruled out the node because it got mediocre reviews. As a matter of a fact, Hardware Canucks gave one of those reviews which shyed me away from the little fridge.

As for SLI, I don't plan on it. With manufacturers already making SLIed cards, there is litte need to run SLI. So the motherboard is irrelelvent. Only reason why I included mATX was because SG09/SG10 is mainly an mATX case that is smaller than a few mITX cases.

If you do go down that line (Raven RVZ01 or Milo 07) then let me know how it works out!
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I'm still skeptical of Samsung SSD given the horrid warranty stories
My understanding was that the horrid stories with the rma were for the canadian customers. But anyway i think i would stay with a Crucial M550.
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What about the Fractal Design Node 304 for mITX, or Node 804 for mATX?

Both of those could use a full tower cooler or 120mm Rad, and enough room for an ATX PSU. As a bonus the 304 also comes in white, if that's your thing.

The thing to ask yourself re: mITX vs mATX is expandability down the line. mATX(depending on Mobo) could allow SLI/Crossfire, Sound card or other expansion cards, while mITX offers a greatly reduced footprint.

Personally, I'm looking at mITX(for HWR-DC/BW) Raven Z 01 or Milo 07 for my next build. Or...if I decide to go mATX again (for HW-E), Silverstone SG10 or PS07(White). (Why yes, I do like Silverstones)
I seem to remember reading mediocre reviews about both cases. As a matter of a fact, Hardware Canucks was one of them in a YouTube review. Although cubic volume is a thing for me (trying to keep it below 30 liters), I am trying to not sacrafice air flow efficiently. It is rather hard when the case shrinks below 17 liters, thats when I must dabble in water cooling even though I have no intentions to overclock.

Another review came out today regarding the cooling capabilites of the RVZ01: SilverStone Raven RVZ01 Review - Cooling Performance | bit-tech.net

Whether it's accurate or not, it does make me question the cooling capabilities of other cases. I'll be utilizing the new Haswell Refresher CPU that uses a lower TDP (65w) than current Haswell models. Should help with the heat. However, I plan on installing a GTX 770, and GTX 780/780ti later, so I need to plan accordingly. I do like the little fridge though. I'll keep it in mind!

Thanks for your input!
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Old May 14, 2014, 05:53 AM
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1.PC will be used for: SFF Gaming and easy transportation.
10. Specific technologies: SSD housing OS and a few select programs (so around 128gbs), USB 3.0, At least one PCIE 3.0, silent case/fans, and good cooling (either AIO, full water, or air).
I think those cases are a bit large for SFF and mini-itx, imho. The 250D is a really nice case, though. But, if you want it portable, do you think you'll want to lug that around?

But, for cooling options and putting extra components in, it is one of the better cases at still being smaller than ATX/mATX.

However, I would also look at even a bit smaller like the Silverstone Sugo SG05 and SG08 (if you need more room - albeit, it's a bit larger). I think they are 10 and 15L cases, respectively, or something like that.

The RVZ01 I like, too, especially the form factor and shape not to mention it's nice and portable. However, it's not good for liquid cooling/AIO cooling since it's tough to stuff the rads in. I was interested in that case so I read up on it. One of the other problems is the cables of the rad since you have to push them in - not good. I concluded that the cpu cooling is only fair but it's really good with gpu cooling.

Alternatively, you could consider the Silverstone Milo ML07:
SilverStone Technology Co., Ltd.- ML07

If the SG05 is too small or you think it's too cramped, then the other cases are good options but a bit on the large side for SFF and mini-itx builds, imho. However, they are much easier to work with regarding space.

I am looking at a similar build and some identical parts such as the i5-4690S. Except, in Canada, that chip is $10 more expensive.

Silverstone is coming out with a SFX 550(?) and 600W modular SFX PSU so you could consider waiting for that unless you are in a rush to finish your build. I think either are sufficient for the hardware components you want especially since you are not overclocking.

'Hope some of my ideas/suggestions help.
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Wondering which case OP went with?

that 600W modular SFX PSU is still not relased lol.
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Old August 13, 2014, 10:54 AM
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I am curious as to what was finally built here
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