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Old August 15, 2013, 09:38 PM
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Any thoughts on the Cooler Master N200? Cooler Master N200 mATX Case Review I like everything about it in that review (aside from no tool-less installation), and don't mind the fact that it's missing a side panel window (I won't have too much hardware to show off anyway). It's also half the price of the Corsair.

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Old August 16, 2013, 07:46 AM
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Any thoughts on the Cooler Master N200? Cooler Master N200 mATX Case Review I like everything about it in that review (aside from no tool-less installation), and don't mind the fact that it's missing a side panel window (I won't have too much hardware to show off anyway). It's also half the price of the Corsair.
I liked what I saw as well, and was actively looking for an AM3 mATX motherboard to do a build in, but that was a project that fell by the wayside.
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There's currently a sale at CanadaComp on the Antec Three Hundred Two. It's $50, and has a $10 MIR. In the end, both it and the N200 are $40 (I'm now inclined to ignore the Fractal Design because the front has no ventilation and apparently that fan gets loud). I went to a few stores and nobody had the N200 on display but an associate told me the difference between it and the N200 in size isn't huge. Can anyone confirm that? And what would you do? They cost the same but the Three Hundred has a savings of $30.
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I have the Three Hundred Two. It's a pretty solid case, and I've been quite happy with it. You will need a couple of your own fans if you want any in the front of the case, and you'll likely find yourself leaving the two fans in the back on low. The top one gets loud at higher speeds, but when turned down it is fairly quiet. Also, like most mesh-front cases, it does draw a lot of dust.
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I would vote for the AMD APU if you will be satisfied with the built in graphics. If you are going to add dedicated graphics I would go to intel for the CPU.
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I find if your building something new no point is skimping on the build to save money, wait a month or so, save a little more money and get the newest tech available. I find most new builds cost around a grand.

Get yourself an i5 and a decent matx board and ram this round, then case, mid level vid card, ps, br player, and sound card if needed next round when you can afford it. You wont be looking to change things out in a year and or so or regretting your original purchase.

I realize this is more than your original budget but believe you wont be disappointed down the road for a few hundred more than u originally planed on spending.
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So a little update for you all: I bought the Antec Three Hundred Two, at $50+tax and there's still a $10 rebate on it that I will send in. I also ordered a Kingston V300 120 GB SSD, on sale for $89+tax. So right now I'm at $155 without the rebate.
But I'm a little bummed after reading some stuff about the AMD Kaveri last night. I thought by buying a Richland CPU and FM2 mb now I'd be on a clear hardware upgrade path but turns out the new chips will use a new FM2+ socket. So anything I buy now will be made obsolete in just 4 months and that doesn't sit well with me. I guess this means it's the Intel route with a low-end Haswell chip. I also realized that I have an 8800 GT in my mom's computer that I can take and use until the new AMD stuff hits the market. The 8800 GT has a different fan/heatsink on it and it's actually pretty quiet so I'll survive.
The CPU will have to be bought new but I may end up buying a used mb from a forum member.

Gigabyte’s A88X FM2+ Motherboards Detailed some Kaveri info
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FM@+ processors wil fit FM2 boards, and vice versa. Says so right in the first paragraph of the link you posted.... So, buy an FM2 board and Richland APU now, and put Kaveri in it when it comes out. If there's one thing that AMD is good at, it is keeping the same socket for many, many generations. It worked like that with AM2 and AM2+, as well as AM3 and AM3+. All you will likely need to do is flash the bios on your motherboard, and it will be ready to support Kaveri.

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As the release of AMD’s Kaveri architecture draws nearer, motherboard manufacturers will gradually be releasing their supporting products. Based on the new FM2+ socket, these boards will not only support upcoming AMD APUs based on the Steamroller core architecture but will also be compatible with FM2 Trinity and Richland processors. Unfortunately, Llano users and their FM1 platform will be left behind.
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I think you misread that. The new FM2+ boards (not the current FM2) will be backwards compatible with current Richland CPUs. BUT it says that current FM2 boards will not be forwards compatible with the new Kaveri CPUs. So, the motherboard I buy now will not be good for the new AMD CPUs. I will need to sell off both the mb and CPU and a much lower cost to get the added performance from Kaveri.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I would really like to be wrong about this.

I think Anandtech wrote this in a clearer way AnandTech | GIGABYTE Announces FM2+ A88X Series Motherboards for Kaveri
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These APUs will be using the FM2+ socket, which is backwards compatible with Trinity/Richland FM2 APUs (FM2 based motherboards are not forwards compatible), as well as a new chipset in the form of A88X, which as far as we know is for FM2+ only.
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I could very well be wrong, but I was going off AMD's naming history for the last decade or so. Typically speaking, x -> X+ would involve a new chipset, but the new processors would work in the old boards. All you would have to do is a bios flash and you'd be good to go. Some features wouldn't work as well. In this case, an FM2 board would not have PCI-e 3.0. Usually these limitations are not dealbreakers.

Maybe Sky can weigh in on this...he would probably know more about this subject than anyone on this board.
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