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Old August 15, 2013, 11:16 AM
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If you look around you may be able to find a core i3, lower end motherboard, and a cheapish graphics card (650Ti) that will blow the APU out of the water. If you can find one for a comparable price, you may be better off going that direction, too! Just sayin'. Nothing wrong with the APU, but, if you can swing the more expensive option, it would perform better.
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Old August 15, 2013, 11:22 AM
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I don't think an I3 will blow the A10 out of the water. It certainly will be faster in single threaded apps but anything that is multithreaded will even out the playing field. The OP only has $600 all in and a i3/mobo/GPU will take up most of that leaving nothing for ram, case, PSU, SSD, etc. An APU will allow him to skip the dedicated GPU for now and put money towards a good soundcard which is much more important to the OP.

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Hmm... the new Haswell i3's are being released really soon so it might be worth the wait (as I said, if I go the Intel route I'd like to buy parts for the LGA1150 socket).
Either way I can at least start looking around for a suitable case.

Thanks for the input everyone! :)
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Old August 15, 2013, 11:26 AM
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I added a link to my post showing that there is almost no difference between current gen I3 and A10 except the A10 graphics kill the I3.
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I added a link to my post showing that there is almost no difference between current gen I3 and A10 except the A10 graphics kill the I3.
This is getting interesting now. They're pretty evenly matched, but the i3 is a little cheaper and draws less energy. Of course, any money and power that I save on the CPU will be eaten up by a dedicated graphics card. I also don't plan on OC'ing so that probably puts the i3 a little ahead. Anyways, I'll wait the two or so weeks before the new i3's are released and then we'll have a better idea of the winner of the performance/price battle.
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Old August 15, 2013, 11:53 AM
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also, intel boards are generally more expensive then AMD boards. The APU draws more energy because of the bigger GPU and more cores. If you wait for the ivybridge CPUs then look for the Pentium ones, they are generally as fast as the I3s but have no hyperthreading and lower GPUs (and cost less).
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Old August 15, 2013, 11:58 AM
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Yeah, honestly, your best bet at this price point is to go with the APU.

After a bit of thinking, $100 for a case seems a little expensive for a $600 build. The 350D is a beautiful case, but you'd probably be just as happy with something a little cheaper.

Fractal Design Core 1000 - $39.99 - This Fractal Design is a looker, for such an inexpensive case. It won't have the cable management provisions that the Corsair does, nor will it have the nifty SSD/HDD trays, as well as more fans. However, it's $70 less, so I'm sure it's something you could overlook.

one thing to keep in mind, it won't be built as solid as the Corsair, either. At that price point, manufacturers start using lighter gauge steel, so cases are more 'bendy'. Nothing inherently wrong with that if you computer stays in one spot, however, if you are planning on hucking from location to location, it may be something to think about.
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Yeah, honestly, your best bet at this price point is to go with the APU.

After a bit of thinking, $100 for a case seems a little expensive for a $600 build. The 350D is a beautiful case, but you'd probably be just as happy with something a little cheaper.

Fractal Design Core 1000 - $39.99 - This Fractal Design is a looker, for such an inexpensive case. It won't have the cable management provisions that the Corsair does, nor will it have the nifty SSD/HDD trays, as well as more fans. However, it's $70 less, so I'm sure it's something you could overlook.

one thing to keep in mind, it won't be built as solid as the Corsair, either. At that price point, manufacturers start using lighter gauge steel, so cases are more 'bendy'. Nothing inherently wrong with that if you computer stays in one spot, however, if you are planning on hucking from location to location, it may be something to think about.
I've done a build in the core 1000 and it's not a bad little case, but I wasn't a fan of the fact that the case switches are on the side which limits where / how it can be placed in a confined area.

OTOH, I kinda liked the look of this new(ish) CM case and it's not too much more expensive than the core 1000.

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I've done a build in the core 1000 and it's not a bad little case, but I wasn't a fan of the fact that the case switches are on the side which limits where / how it can be placed in a confined area.
Can you say anything about the temperatures you saw in the case and general noise levels?
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Can you say anything about the temperatures you saw in the case and general noise levels?
I honestly don't have much to offer on that. It was a mATX i3 w/ onboard vid I put into it, and even the stock case fan was probably replaced with a 1350 YL. The short period of time I had it running as my media server (MP3 storage for networked PCs mostly) it was close enough to my loud fan WC builds that I wouldn't have heard much out of it anywise.
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