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tfran May 7, 2013 09:34 AM

First Build in a long time
Hey guys,

It's been awhile. I'm unemployed so recently I've spent a decent amount of time on the PC and am looking to upgrade the system, specifically to support a second monitor. My current setup is really struggling on boot times and has trouble even running world of warcraft at 1200p while having a few tabs in the background so I haven't even bothered to setup a 2nd monitor yet.

My current setup:
GTX 460 (upgraded to this 2 or 3 years ago, also have a couple 9600GT and a HD4850 around)
PC P&C 750W silencer
Seagate 500GB HDD

I figure the only thing worth keeping is the PSU. It's been awhile but I'm assuming 750W is still fine for a midrange system?

I just have a few questions...

1. Is it worth getting a 2nd 460 for SLI or not worth the hassle compared to a new single card? I'd like to play games in mid-high settings (no ultra necessary)

2. What's the 2013 equivalent of the E8400/Q6600? I'm just looking for something I can reasonably overclock with good bang for the buck. (I'd like to play games in mid-high settings (no ultra necessary) in 1920x1200 while still being able to power a 2nd 1080p monitor with a browser or video up.)

3. I'm assuming 16GB is pretty standard these days? My laptop has 8 so I'd like for the desktop to have a little more, for it's own dignity.

4. Are most of you running OS on SSD and HDD for storage? Boot times on the laptop SSD just blows the desktop out of the water. I have quite a few externals lying around so plenty of HDD space available still.

I'm looking to spend around $750 total. So I guess something like
$200 CPU (AMD or Intel)
$200 GPU
$200 SSD + RAM
$150 MOBO

To be honest I haven't kept up with pricing at all so I don't know if cost ratios have changed in the past 5 years.

I'm not looking for someone to make up a build for me, that's half the fun, just to help me catch up on current tech and get me back in the ballpark so to speak.

Cheers. Thanks guys.

Bond007 May 7, 2013 12:07 PM

i5 3470 if you will not OC, or 3570k if you will. For the < $200 gpu I would go for gtx 650ti boost, or gtx 660.. These will be roughly twice as powerful as your 460 (I have a 460 as well). Ram is unfortunately going up in price, but 2x4gb 1600mhz ram is the way to go.

great_big_abyss May 7, 2013 02:03 PM

I'll echo and +1 what Bond007 said.

The 3570 (k or non K) is probably the best gaming CPU you can buy. Usually it sells for about $240, but if you look for sales, you can pick it up for $200.

You can pick up a decent Z77 motherboard like this one for about $150.

If all you're doing is gaming, you don't really need much more RAM than 8GB at the moment. Pick up a nice dual channel 2x4GB 1600Mhz kit. If you want more RAM you can easily add another kit at a later date.

You can pick up a GTX660 like this one that will easily blow your old 460 out of the water.

For the SSD, the Samsung 840 Series 120GB SSD is on sale at NCIX right now for $120. Can't beat that for a deal! In the future if you ever run out of space, just buy a second drive and 'expand' your volume under disk management.

Masteroderus May 7, 2013 03:14 PM

Especially considering you play WoW, go with the i5 and nvidia video card.

+2 to Bond.

LHN91 May 7, 2013 06:36 PM

Make that a +3. Basically everything they've said. I might suggest an AMD chip, but for gaming the 3570k is pretty much the sweet spot for gaming performance for the price, and the 650ti Boost or the 660 are pretty much the best performance/price in the midrange for graphics cards.

clshades May 7, 2013 06:55 PM

try putting an SSD in there 1st and see how it runs before ya spend a ton of money. You'd be surprised how much better performance you get just from one of those HDD's. My spare dual core laptop barely ran but after a mid ranged SSD and and fresh install she runs really well...

If you are dead bent on getting a new system and don't wanna spend a ton of mulla there's nothing wrong with AMD systems. So many intel fanboys here... Leaves ya more money for a decent video card too.


The 3570 (k or non K) is probably the best gaming CPU you can buy. Usually it sells for about $240
Of course the 8350 for $209 (cheaper if you shop around User reviews ) amd is cheaper performs just as well. And its still huge over kill for any games you are playing currently.

Any of these motherboards will work

I would go with a GeForce 660 for you price range which one I couldn't say for sure. MSI cards are decent and overclock easier. Get a 2 gig card though...

I always get corsair PSU's cant really go wrong with them.

Or you could buy this smoking deal Rison is highly respected member here... cant go wrong buying his gear.

LHN91 May 8, 2013 06:00 PM

I'm actually a bit of an AMD fanboy, but I freely admit that Intel chips have fewer flaws at this point. While AMD chips are arguably a better price/performance; for consistent gaming performance with relatively few downsides, the 3570k pretty much wins if you can get it on sale.

That said the 2600k system would also be good, and I personally would look at the AMD based system - but keep in mind it has it's downsides; primarily slightly higher power consumption and less single-threaded performance.

tfran May 15, 2013 12:36 PM

Hey guys thanks for the input, been looking at 660's. A friend of mine says he can get me a 3770K through the intel retail edge program so I think I'm going to go with that. I think even with shipping and duties it's still near to or cheaper than the 3570K.

I'm not sure if that makes it worth upgrading the card or not.

Is there a reason why everyone is recommending NVIDIA cards over ATI? Is NVIDIA dominant in this generation? Last time I was in the loop ATI was better bang for the buck.

I'm going to keep my case and PSU so I don't want to buy a prebuilt system but thanks for the suggestion.

Bond007 May 15, 2013 07:05 PM

If you can get in on the retail edge 3770 deal, then go for it. Awesome deal.

Dzzope May 16, 2013 01:52 AM

Wow does not like amd cards. Personally and many friends (and guildies) have had the same issues with random bad textures, flashing and just poor performance.. For WOW 100% Nvidia.

AMD's are much better bang for buck but you'll see many many more reports of glitching issues, driver issues and frame drops with AMD's(they bought ATI a few years ago).

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