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Old April 10, 2013, 07:03 PM
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Good evening gentlemen (and any women computer builders in the crowd), I just joined this forum and I am in dire need of help. A few days ago my beloved Asus G73JW-A1 got fried. I used it for 2.5 years and I guess laptops are not to be used so intensively, even for a gaming laptop. I am assuming the fans were not strong enough and it overheated and fried my motherboard. Me never cleaning the computer may also have a part in my laptop's demise.

Anyway, getting to the real point, I am currently using my dad's computer for the time being as I don't have one. I want to buy/make a new computer but I haven't got a clue about computers. To organize this in a orderly format, I answered the questions below to hopefully let you guys know what kind of computer I'm looking to build. All input is much appreciated. Thank you in advance. :)

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.
Surfing the internet, watching videos on youtube, checking out facebook, playing SC2 HOTS (preferably not on low settings), rendering videos when I use Sony Vegas (seldom), playing music and occasionally doing school work.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread
I would hope to spend under a grand. Somewhere around $800 would be nice.

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.
Canada. Toronto specifically.

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc, etc, etc, you get the picture.
I have always used Intel and I don't know much about computers. I'm good with whatever is quality and is worth the price.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.
I have a Razer Naga and Carcharias that still function properly so I will be using those.

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.
I read one or two, but I am a newb when it comes to computers. Don't even know what everything does.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.
What's that?

8. WHEN do you plan to build it?
Considering my computer just got fried a few days ago and I am in need of a replacement, hopefully soon.

9. What resolution and settings do you use?
Don't know computer language, but as long as I can enjoy the game at a setting where I can see everything decently (doesn't need to be crisp and crystal clear) and will not make move like a robot.

10. Are there any specific technologies you want?
Just want a quality computer that can last me until I graduate in approximately 4 years. Hope it's not going to be loud and have a working disc tray that can read stuff.
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Old April 10, 2013, 11:02 PM
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Here's what I got. You still need to pick a monitor and keyboard and mouse. I suggest you rip out the old HDD from your laptop and use it as a storage drive.

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CPU: Intel Core i3-3240 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($145.81 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: MSI H77MA-G43 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($78.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($66.49 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 330 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($97.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $793.25
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-11 02:02 EDT-0400)

Intel Core i3-3240, EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost, Fractal Design Core 1000 - System Build - PCPartPicker Canada
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Old April 11, 2013, 07:50 AM
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The build moocow posted is pretty close to what I was thinking, but he beat me to putting it together. The i3 should be plenty of CPU power for what you're doing, and the 650ti Boost is a surprisingly good card.

Don't be afraid to ask for help with the assembly - it's not particularly difficult, mostly following instructions and inserting things into the only places they fit, but there's always a few gotchas that more experienced people will be able to help you past.
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Old April 11, 2013, 09:18 AM
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Just want a quality computer that can last me until I graduate in approximately 4 years. Hope it's not going to be loud and have a working disc tray that can read stuff.
Those part will achieve this goal and the others you've stated.Feel free to ask for assembly advice.Happy building btw,it's a great opportunity to learn new skills
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Old April 11, 2013, 11:01 AM
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Yeah and it's very easy.

for you : How to Build a Gaming PC Featuring Intel Extreme Edition NCIX Tech Tips - YouTube
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Mostly I agree with moocows build with some differences :
for cpu I would go with the i3 3225 due to the integrated graphics Intel HD4000 that can play just fine at 1280x720 resolution.
If you decide you are not satisfied with it, later on you can pick a used videocard, for the price of a new 650Ti Boost you can get a used GTX 570 they are around 160$ right now.
For 4$ more get some 1600MHz memory, with XMP profiles Newegg.ca - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM
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Old April 11, 2013, 03:11 PM
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I forgot to mention that I have the Playstation 3D screen which is 1920x1080 which I plan to use as the monitor. Will that change my choice in components? I can take the hard drive out of my laptop and put it into a desktop shell? I had Windows 7 on my laptop, is it possible to recover that?

EDIT: My friend can supply me with Windows 7 so I just need a keyboard additionally to the parts moocow suggested. I am thinking of getting a Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2013 because it looks cool. Anyone have any better suggestions for a quality gaming keyboard that has multimedia buttons and a sick backlight?

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I agree, but have some points, with moocow and MARSTG. I would go for 1600mhz ram. I would not spend the extra on the 3225, since you will need dedicated graphics to have a decent gaming experience. Yes it would run as MARSTG has said, but paying a premium for better integrated graphics when you will want a dedicated graphics card is not what I would do. Personally I would go for either an i3 3220 for $120

Intel Core i3 3220 Dual Core Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Ivy Bridge 3MB Retail Box - DirectCanada

Or step up to an i5 3470 if you will not be overclocking (goes on sale for $180-190), or a 3570k if you will overclock (goes on sale $200-210).

The GTX 650Ti Boost is a great card, but if you are only going to be playing SCII you could step down to a GTX 650Ti (non boost) and it would bring the price down to $110-120.
You could add a 500GB-1TB hard drive (in stead of using a laptop drive) for $50-80).
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Old April 11, 2013, 04:07 PM
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Sup Nathan? Update the OP already! Not last post! You told me you got a monitor and mouse. All you need is a mechanical keyboard right? Go for a Cooler Master CM Storm. Razer ain't as good. I can supply Windows for you. Technet ftw. And do not listen to your dad and get that prebuilt ASUS at Future Shop.

Ok anyways HWC, I'm going to be helping the OP build the computer. I asked him to make a thread because I haven't kept up to date on the new hardware parts, especially with all the new GPU releases. I recall reading that ATI were better in the bang for buck department. But I guess with the GTX 650TI Boost, that's not the case anymore?

Here's what I think is good, based on the AMD CPU/GPU. It seems to be faster than Core i3, but not as good as the Core i5. I'm worried about the TRIM for SSDs though. If other members say GTX 650 TI Boost is better, than you can easily swap over to it. All prices before MIR and taken from this week's NCIX sale without looking at other sites. I assume you're not overclocking. I didn't do thorough research.

NCIX Gaming Bundle Deal ASUS M5A97 R2.0 ATX Motherboard & AMD FX-6100 Six Core Processor - $210
Patriot Intel Extreme Masters 8GB 2X4GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 9-9-9-24 1.5V Dual Channel Memory Kit - $60
XFX Radeon HD 7850 Core Edition 860MHZ 1GB 4.8GHZ GDDR DVI HDMI 2XMINIDP PCI-E Video Card - $175
Cooler Master HAF 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound - $56
Antec HCG-620M 620W ATX12V Modular SINGLE-RAIL 48A 80PLUS Bronze 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply - $80
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5in 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $119
Western Digital Green 2TB SATA3 6GB/S Intellipower 64MB Cache 3.5in Internal Hard Drive HDD - $100
Cooler Master CM Storm Trigger Mechanical Gaming Keyboard USB Cherry MX Blue Key Switch - $100

Total: $900.
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Old April 11, 2013, 06:39 PM
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NCIX now has free shipping over $100 order and <100lbs. Also the i3 3220 is on sale for $114, and a MSI board is on for $84 - $10 MIR.

MSI ZH77A-G43 ATX LGA1155 H77 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 3PCI SATA3 HDMI CrossFireX USB3.0 Motherboard

Intel Core i3 3220 Dual Core Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Ivy Bridge 3MB Retail Box

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Sup Nathan? Update the OP already! Not last post! You told me you got a monitor and mouse. All you need is a mechanical keyboard right? Go for a Cooler Master CM Storm. Razer ain't as good. I can supply Windows for you. Technet ftw. And do not listen to your dad and get that prebuilt ASUS at Future Shop.

Ok anyways HWC, I'm going to be helping the OP build the computer. I asked him to make a thread because I haven't kept up to date on the new hardware parts, especially with all the new GPU releases. I recall reading that ATI were better in the bang for buck department. But I guess with the GTX 650TI Boost, that's not the case anymore?

Here's what I think is good, based on the AMD CPU/GPU. It seems to be faster than Core i3, but not as good as the Core i5. I'm worried about the TRIM for SSDs though. If other members say GTX 650 TI Boost is better, than you can easily swap over to it. All prices before MIR and taken from this week's NCIX sale without looking at other sites. I assume you're not overclocking. I didn't do thorough research.

NCIX Gaming Bundle Deal ASUS M5A97 R2.0 ATX Motherboard & AMD FX-6100 Six Core Processor - $210
Patriot Intel Extreme Masters 8GB 2X4GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 9-9-9-24 1.5V Dual Channel Memory Kit - $60
XFX Radeon HD 7850 Core Edition 860MHZ 1GB 4.8GHZ GDDR DVI HDMI 2XMINIDP PCI-E Video Card - $175
Cooler Master HAF 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound - $56
Antec HCG-620M 620W ATX12V Modular SINGLE-RAIL 48A 80PLUS Bronze 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply - $80
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5in 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $119
Western Digital Green 2TB SATA3 6GB/S Intellipower 64MB Cache 3.5in Internal Hard Drive HDD - $100
Cooler Master CM Storm Trigger Mechanical Gaming Keyboard USB Cherry MX Blue Key Switch - $100

Total: $900.
Great choices as well. My thoughts:

The 650Ti boost is a touch faster and a touch cheaper than the 7850.


That said if the games bundled with the amd gpu are of interest then it is a very good option as well IMO.

On the CPU side I would go Intel in a gaming rig. The 6300 good value, but it uses more power and is slower in cpu limited games. Also there isn't really an upgrade path from it as the 8320/8350 aren't substantially better. With the i3 it could always be upgraded to an i5 or i7.

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That is all my opinion. You wouldn't go wrong with either build.
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