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Old February 24, 2013, 03:43 PM
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Hey guys. I am a console player trying to switch over to the pc world. However, I am a student so I have a budget. Anyway I have some hardware already chosen and I'm just looking for some opinions on anything i can improve. I will be using this pc mainly for gaming. Mainly games like Call of Duty, MOH, BF3 etc. I would be more than happy playing at 720p. I will also use it for a little editing using sony vegas pro 11. I already have a monitor, a mouse/keyboard, a harddrive that i bought and never used, and I also have a copy of Windows XP, I will upgrade to Windows 7 when my budget allows for it. I plan on building this in a month or so. I apologize in advance if these components aren't compatible with each other, I did a lot of research though. So anyway, here's what I've got...

Motherboard: ECS P67H2-A2 Black Deluxe Motherboard - Socket H2 (LGA1155), Intel P67 Express, DDR3-2133MHz (O.C.), SATA 6.0 Gb/s, RAID, SLI/CrossFireX Ready, Dual Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0 -$74.99 on Tiger Direct

Memory: Kingston HyperX Black KHX16C9B1BK2/8 8GB Desktop Memory Module Kit - DDR3, 2x4GB, CL9, DIMM, 1600MHz, 240 Pin, Unbuffered, 1.65V -$44.99 on Tiger Direct

Processor: Intel Core i5-3570K BX806237i53570K Processor, Quad Core(3.4 GHz) -$219.99 on Tiger Direct
(I went a little extra on this because it makes it a little more "Future Proof." I will overclock this when I get an aftermarket cooler when budget allows)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 (1GB GDDR5) -$99.99 on Tiger Direct
(Not sure about this. Might need something a little better.)

Sound Card: I will use the motherboards onboard audio. Good audio is for squares. -$0.00

Power Supply: Thermaltake TR-600 TR2 ATX Power Supply - 600W, 120mm Fan, Cable Managment Optimized -$49.99 on Tiger Direct

CD/DVD Drive: LG Internal 24X DVD Rewriter - SATA Interface, 2MB Buffer, 12x DVD-RAM, 48x CD-R (GH24NS50) -$15.99 on Tiger Direct

Case: Cool Master Elite 310 Mid-Tower Case - ATX/Micro ATX, 4x Ext 5.25", 1x Ext 3.5", 6x Int 3.5", 2x USB 2.0 Ports, 1x Mic, 1x Audio, Black/Red (RC-310-RWN1-GP RED) - OEM -$9.99 on Tiger Direct

Total: $515.93 USD
Tell me if you have any suggestions to make this better. I would like to stay around $500 but I will go up to $600 if necessary.

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Old February 24, 2013, 05:06 PM
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At 720p, a Geforce GTX 650 will perform adequately with most features on, and will do 1080p at medium-high depending on the game, though I wouldn't expect wonders, and this is at around 30fps average.

Vegas Pro will benefit from the 3570k, so no real issues there.

I guess my opinion here is that while the 3570k will be great for Vegas, the 650 will likely be underwhelming for gaming. I would almost think it better to lower the processor's share of the budget and see if you can squeeze in a 660. Alternatively, if you understand the gaming will be underwhelming but want the overclock potential, you could use the 650 for now and then upgrade to a 660 or whatever happens to be current when the budget allows.

As well, Thermaltake doesn't have the greatest reputation, and neither does ECS. Others will likely have to comment on them, it's not really my department.
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Old February 24, 2013, 05:37 PM
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Asus mother board and Corsair power supply / RAM?

$335 and $320 after MIR - NCIX Gaming Bundle Deal Intel Core i5 3570K Quad Core & ASUS P8Z77-V Lk SLI DDR3 Motherboard

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If your going Intel go for a z77 board..
If the budget is really tight then drop in an i3 which you can then drop in an i5 or i7 when you have the funds (possibly second hand to save more) point being the board will take a bigger chip and oc when you have the extra to do so.

If you grab an i3, spend the rest on your GPU. AMD tend to give better bang for your buck.

AMD CPU may be better for your needs though. Cheaper for more cores.
Not as good at single or lightly threaded stuff (games, general desktop stuff and it's not bad, just not as good) but possibly better for video editing (check your software for what it uses / supports)

What resolution is your monitor, your best to game at the native res.

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Old February 25, 2013, 06:25 AM
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OH God, Windows XP? So Old! Will BF3 even run on a DX9 system? I don't think it will. I'm not going to suggest anything illegal, so I won't tell you that it's pretty easy to find a free copy of Windows 7 on the internet. That would be really bad of me. So I won't do it. (coughtorrentscough)

Also, ditto on the Z77 motherboard. You'll want one of those if you're planning on eventually overclocking an Ivy Bridge Processor.
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Bump up the graphics card, bump down the cpu to an i3. For the love of god get windows 7 64 on there. You mentioned you're a student? If your in post secondary tech related course you should have msdnaa for free windows, otherwise get a windows 7 home premium upgrade - or just an oem key (about 99 bucks)
Also I would switch the psu to a corsair/seasonic unit. The motherboard doesnt look bad, however P67 has been out for awhile, I would try for a z68 board or better. You don't need one with sli/crossfire so that should open up a few boards in your price range.
FYI im running an i3 2120, and gtx570 - bf3 is awesome on it at 1920x1200. Its better to spend more on the gfx card then the cpu.
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Alright. First of all thanks for the replies guys. It really helps me out. So I've considered what Dzzope said about AMD CPUs and I think Im going to go with an AMD FX-4300. It has 6 cores. I think it would suit my needs perfectly. This frees up about 80 bucks so I could go with a Radeon HD 7850 2 GB DDR5. I've heard that the 1 GB version can run most games maxed so this should be good. Tell me what you think of that. BTW the monitor is 1920x1280.
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Do check out that it will give you better performance in the applications you need it for. An i3 will be better for gaming and single threaded stuff.
You need to look before you leap, check up on forums for your biggest cpu usage (editing software, encoding or whatever).
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The FX-4300 has only 4, not 6 cores. And at that, they aren't full cores. If you meant the FX-6300, then yes you would be correct. For Vegas, the AMD chip may be better in 6 core form than an i3, but for gaming the opposite is likely true. Single thread performance on the AMD chips is lagging well being Intel.
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That stuff will all work. However, most P67 boards in the supply chain likely don't have new enough firmware for Ivy Bridge CPU's, hence, you'll have to either borrow someone's Sandy Bridge CPU in order to upgrade the firmware, or alternatively, remove the EPROM from the board and have it flashed on a programmer or another motherboard.

Also, P67 won't let you use the Intel embedded video, which is actually quite good and useful. I'd actually say that P67 is obsolete -- if you really must economize on a board, try one of the cheaper B75 boards.
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