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Old May 7, 2012, 02:58 AM
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Hey All,

just wanted to say first post!! and this forum is awesome. I have been reading through this for about a month, and I have figured out the exact PC i want to build. So, after tons of price comparisons and product selecting I have come across a site that builds gaming PC's also. I have read some people saying cyberpower sucks...so if you want to also inform me of this, please do so with a reason so that I may make an informed decision. Please try not to dissuade me by saying: "building your own is awesome!!" I have done it before, and it's nothing special.

Anyways the point of this excersize is because it seems cyberpower is making it even CHEAPER than me building with much better parts! Crazy, i know. I'm still looking for the catch :S

all help would be appreciated. Sorry if I'm direct, I don't intend to be rude. I just want to make it clear so you guys can help me better :D

to build or to be lazy (not really,)
specs: mix purchase between ncix, best direct

bestdirect XFX Radeon HD 6850 775MHZ 1GB 4.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI Display Port HDMI PCI-E Dual Fan Video Card
In Stock
usually ships in 1-2 business days $161.65

bestdirect ASRock Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E SATA3 USB3.0 SLI CrossFireX Motherboard
usually ships in 1-2 business days $144.10

bestdirect G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Memory
usually ships in 1-2 business days $46.99
Free Ground Shipping!

bestdirect Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366/1155/1156/2011 120MM
usually ships in 1-2 business days $29.15
Free Ground Shipping!

bestdirect Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core Unlocked Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Sandy Bridge 6MB
usually ships in 1-2 business days $209.69
Free Ground Shipping

bestdirect Coolermaster Haf 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound
In Stock
usually ships in 1-2 business days $54.45


ncix Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA3 64MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
In Stock 66010 $139.98


ncix Kingston SVP200S3/120G 120GB SSDNow V+200 SATA 3 2.5 Solid State Drive
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
NCIX.com SURPRISE SPECIALS!
In Stock 67528 $128.98

ncix ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer OEM Black
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
In Stock 49597 $19.99


ncix Corsair TX750 V2 750W ATX 12V Single Rail 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 80PLUS Bronze
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
In Stock 58382 $97.99

ncix shipping 12.36
bestdirect shipping 0$
total bestdirect + ncix = 399.96 + 658.48 = 1058.44 greand total with shipping

cyberpower. buy, baby, buy
CARE1: Cooler Master Thermal Fusion 400 Extreme Performance CPU - Thermal Compound Optimized for Thermal Dissipation [+10]
CAS: Cooler Master HAF 912 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Adjustable HDD Cage (Black Color)
CD: Sony 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive [-37] (BLACK COLOR)
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-3570K 3.40 GHz 6MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (All Venom OC Certified) - While Supply Last
CS_FAN: Default case fans
FAN: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo Gaming Cooling Fan [+4]
FLASHMEDIA: INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer (BLACK COLOR)
HDD: 120GB Kingston SSDNOW V200+ SATA III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 535MB/s Read & 480MB/s Write [+24] (Single Drive)
HDD2: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+110] (Single Drive)
KEYBOARD: Razer Cyclosa Gaming Keyboard [+0]
MEMORY: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory [+3] (Corsair Vengeance [+19])
MOTHERBOARD: [CrossFireX/SLI] ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Intel Z77 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ IRST,
MOUSE: Razer Abyssus Gaming Mouse [+0]
NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
POWERSUPPLY: 850 Watts - Thermaltake Smart Series SP-850M 80 Plus Bronze Modular Power Supply [+55]
SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
VIDEO: AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB 16X PCIe Video Card [-34] (Major Brand Powered by AMD)

key features: better cpu (not necessarily for OC, but meh ill take it cause free upgrade),better ram, better mobo, better powersupply. BETTER GPU.

Grand Total: $1,097.25 with shipping

what do you guys think!?

thank you for all your help! in advance
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Old May 7, 2012, 06:07 AM
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The offer from Cyberpower does look much better value, nothing surprising though. Don't know much about their warranty policies but if those are fine, then I would say go for it.
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Old May 7, 2012, 06:36 AM
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Just for the fact you are getting the 6950 over the 6850 would make me do it. The 6850 would disappoint you.
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Old May 7, 2012, 09:47 AM
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revisited the idea, since well..i did all of this at like 12-4am hahaha


Arctic Silver 5 HIGH-DENSITY Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound 3.5 Gram

$4.97

Diamond Radeon HD 6950 800MHZ 2GB 4.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI 2xMini Display Port PCI-E Video Card

$265.12

Corsair TX750 V2 750W ATX 12V Single Rail 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 80PLUS Bronze

$107.17


Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA3 64MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive

$137.50

Kingston SVP200S3/120G 120GB SSDNow V+200 SATA 3 2.5 Solid State Drive

$135.87


ASRock Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E SATA3 USB3.0 SLI CrossFireX Motherboard

$144.10

Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA1155 LGA1156 120MM

$23.10


Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core Unlocked Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Sandy Bridge 6MB
$209.69


ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer OEM Black
$19.80

G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Memory
$46.99

Coolermaster Haf 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound
$54.45
Subtotal

$1,148.76


looks like its only a $51.00 difference after putting these together. only difference is processor is 2nd gen 2500k (which i lean more towards, cause better OC) and older mobo (but still gen 3, so pci 3.0 and IB) asrock extreme gen 4still better)

i might just build myself cause if i get nailed with customs, it`ll be much higher and i`d rather deal with each part seperately. also, i found a 6950 reference card, to me that is a plus (Who knows what they`ll put in). what yall think? thinking out loud here

they also gimme like mouse and keyboard (look pretty good), but whateva. i use an mx perfromace already, and i wanna get they logitech solar keyboard thin...so im not counting that
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Old May 7, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Build yourself.. Not necessarily cos it's better but more because it's easy and you save the money / have a little more to spend on parts.

Can't you just price-match everything on NCIX then have 1 shipment?

If boot times aren't a big deal to you (the seagate drive is quite fast (for hdd's)) then I suggest you plough the SSD into a better GPU.. 670? 680?
Depends what you want... I notice the difference with an SSD on the load times of stuff... but would gladly sacrifice it for a 670 over my current 560Ti.. Just food for though

If you think you'll ever go dual GPU then I definitely suggest Nvidia... AMD are renowned for being slow with drivers and x-fire profile releases
on that note if you think you'll ever use dual GPU's, go for a 850 watt psu.. if not 650 will be enough and save you a few bucks.

other than those points (which are only opinion) all looks good and a solid build.
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Old May 7, 2012, 12:21 PM
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do ssd's only improve boot times?

i was thinking about leaving ssd for OS and 2tb for storage. what do you think?

i've decided to go with Bestdirect, great prices...free shipping.

I posed the initial question, cause it seems I am infact saving more with buying and not building - very wierd.

hate going CFX, and i dislike nvidia driver support and their cards.

Thinking about going with 6950..sorry which one are you recommending?

thank you for your input. I appreciate it!!
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Old May 7, 2012, 12:54 PM
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on the SSD's.. basically, yes..
Boot times and the load times of whichever programs you have on the drive..
Your machine will boot very fast, your programs/games will load fast.. thats it..
You'll still have to wait for onlines servers to load maps - start rounds etc.. and there is no other benefit in game
While this is important for some people, for me I'd trade boot times for a GPU thats twice as powerful as what I have now. ( and a 670 will be about twice as powerful and about $400 ish(the cost of the ssd difference))

While I don't know your experience or experiences with nvidia and AMD cards, I've had both fairly recent and old versions of both. (I'll not get into the really old cos they are not relevant.
While with the 5XXX/ 4xx generation I would pick the AMD.. though again driver support wasn't better (in my opinion) the Radions were far superior in price, performance and power, heat etc

In the 6xxx / 5xx.. it's a throw up between them in the price-performance.. Radions still better in the power/heat

If your buying an new pc now.. why get a last generation card?
Nvidia have shown with the 680 (and on Thursday the 670, there was a leaked review) that the newest generation beat the AMD's hands-down in every way..
Check out the 680 / 690 reviews and the 670 on Thursday..

Looks like the 670 is going to be only slightly behind x-fired 6950's in raw performance and have better power heat etc as well(per performance at least)

If your dead set against the nvidia's then a 7950?

I'm not against AMD and if they lift their performance to that of the current nvidia's with less buggy drivers then I would consider them / or just plain go for them if good enough (like the 5xxx series was)..
until they do they are second fiddle for me..


On the ivy vs sandy chips.. the ivy will oc very easily to 4.5GHZ, it will have lower temps and power draw.. but when you raise the voltage higher (think it was 1.3v) in order to push the clocks, the heat gets too much...
which is better for you depends on if you want a stable 24/7 oc in the 4.5 ghz range or if you really want to push it.. in which case the sandy chip is better.

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Old May 7, 2012, 02:27 PM
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thank you so much. very informative answer.

ssd's looks like it's going to be scrapped :)

as for IB vs SB, i was hoping to push a stable build @ 4.7ghz...but i dont know what gains there are, and when it begins diminishing. i do like easy OC that are very stable with low power consumption and lower temp. IB sounds impressive in this regard. since its the same architecture, but improved...shouldnt it in theory be faster at 4.5ghz then SB @ 4.7?

also, are you referring to the gtx 680/690/ 670?

i had a really bad experience with nvidia driver in the past on desktops (4yars ago) and even worse experience on laptops and their stupid mo optimus tech.

that aside, i use this greatly to always pull great value vs incremental performance at much more expensive prices.

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the way i see it, if the hd 6870 is within range...but at like 100$ less, its a great buy until i upgrade in the future. future proofing is so cliche, in that after two years most try to move onto something newer and spending so much for it to last for xx number of years never seems to work. i dunno i maybe i overthink, but i do look for value on my investment.

your right, 670 seem very impressive if its $400 range. ditto on waiting

been reading a little more, anyone experience stuttering issues on current 680 cards?
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Old May 7, 2012, 02:48 PM
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forgot to add, will probably work towards upgrading to 1280x1080 monitor at maybe 22-25inches. when i stop being poor after i spend all this money.
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Old May 7, 2012, 04:21 PM
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Yea, 1080 is definitely a good idea..

If you weren't then a 670 would be wasted on it.
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