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Old April 11, 2012, 04:32 PM
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1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

My dad wants to buy my mother a new computer for Mother's Day. Right now she mostly plays World of Warcraft, but she may expand into other games as well. My dad also wants to try some FPS games as well. He wants something that will have longevity - something that will last 6+ years, or more.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

We're looking for something around $900-$1000, maybe a bit more. I have very limited experience with hardware beyond replacing video cards and a power supply, so we would almost certainly want to have it built for us.

3.
What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

We're located in Ontario, Canada. I had a computer built in 2009 from NCIX, and had a really good experience with them, so we wouldn't mind going that route again. I don't remember how the shipping worked though, so I wouldn't want to get killed on the shipping charges. If anyone knows a good place near Hamilton, Ontario, I'd be open to suggestions as well.

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YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.

No preferences.

5. If
YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

My dad may want to put his current hard drive in so he doesn't have to transfer all of his stuff, but I'm not sure that's the best idea. Their current computer (and hard drive) is at least five years old, so I thought it might be better to just go all new.

6. IF
YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

Default speeds.

7.
What resolution will you be using?

Not yet determined. I have a 27" widescreen monitor, and my dad is kind of jealous of it. So he wants to get her one as well, we're still looking at options, if anyone has suggestions on a good one.

8.
WHEN do you plan to build it?
Note that it is usually not cost or time effective to choose your build more than a month before you actually plan to be using it.

As soon as possible. We want it for Mother's Day if possible.

9. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?

Windows 7 64 bit



We were looking at this thread with some recent computer build suggestions, the one titled Gaming 1050 in particular, maybe as a starting point.

Thank you in advance for your suggestions and input. :)
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Old April 11, 2012, 04:42 PM
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Pentium G620 CPU
s1155 H61 mobo (asrock ones are cheap/good)
8GB 1333MHz RRD3 RAM
XFX core edition 650(rebaded seasonic)
550TI GPU (EVGA 550Ti superclocked is $110)
1Tb HDD of your choice(keep old drive for storage)
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That should last anyone doing some casual/moderate gaming for years to come, if budget allows up the g620 to an i3 2100 and that doubles your processor power.
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Old April 12, 2012, 10:49 AM
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For pretty much exactly $1000:

MB: Asus P8Z68-V LE $140
CPU: i5-2310 $180
PSU: Corsair TX-650 $100
Case: Coolermaster HAF-912 $60 or Elite 310 - $50
Hard Drive - Western Digital 1TB Black - $140
RAM - Pretty much any dual channel 8 GB kit of DDR3-1600 $50
Windows 7 Home OEM - $120
DVD Burner - $25
Leaves about $200 for a GPU so GTX 560 or 560 Ti

That doesn't cover build cost or GST but should give you an idea of the best you can do in that budget.
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Old April 12, 2012, 02:15 PM
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Thanks for the replies, I'll check both those builds out.

Also, I stopped by a computer store highly recommended by a neighbour of ours, and they suggested this refurbished pre-built:

AM3970-EB13P - $859.99 - Open Box / Remanufactured
INTEL 17-2600 Quad Core 3.40GHZ, 8mb cache
16G DDR3, 2.0TB SATA HDD
DVDRW, GLAN, CARD READER, HDMI
Keyboard & mouse
NVIDIA GEFORCE GT530 2.0GB
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
1 year warranty

What do you guys think?
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Old April 12, 2012, 03:07 PM
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I'd say you've got a cool Mom and Dad.
If you can put the effort into it do a self build,
pricematch where you can, instead of a store built sys.

I like Raza's platform, but with 2500K.
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Old April 12, 2012, 04:06 PM
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Ok a few notes;

- trying to build a pc that will be useful and last 6+ years to be used for gaming is almost impossible. The technology changes to fast as do the games and their requirements.
- try Canada Computers | Computers, Computer Parts, Laptops, Hard Drives, PC Hardware & Accessories Sales they have 2 locations in Hamilton. I have done lots of business with them here in Mississauga and my dad has done lots with them @ the Kingston location. They have great prices, offer price matching and have decent techs and will assemble the pc for you very inexpensively if you buy it from them.
- as for his current hd is its 5 yrs it is nearing the end of its life. I would definitely recommend getting a new one. they can transfer all the data to the new one.

Here is what I would suggest for you;

Intel Core i5-2450P Quad-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.2Ghz $199.99
Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3 Socket 1155 Intel Z68 $84.99 after mir
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series DDR3 1333MHz (PC3-10666) 8GB (2x4GB) $49.99
Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE SATA Black 22X DVD-Writer $21.99
Western Digital Caviar Blue (WD5000AAKX) 500GB SATA3 6GB/s 7200RPM 16MB $84.99
Seasonic SS-600ET 600W 80 PLUS BRONZE Power Supply $76.99
Asus HD7850-DC2-2GD5 AMD 7850 Chipset (870Mhz) 2GB $279.99
Antec Three Hundred Two Gaming Series Mid-ATX $44.99 after mir

Total: $868.92

If you need to include an OS and a monitor in that budget I will redo the build.
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Old April 12, 2012, 07:27 PM
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Last 2 options both look good..

I would suggest a 7850 / GTX560 at a minimum for the GPU

If you get 8 gig ram and an i5 2400 you should be good with a GPU upgrade in a few years in order to reach the 6 your looking for.

2500k is way more than you need.. especially as you don't want to OC.


If you need to squeeze out more budget get a p67 board instead of the z68 (or even a h67)
Should make the dough go farther with little in the way of lost features. (which you'll probably never use anyway)

Add to this the cheapest 22" monitor you can find and you have a solid gaming system.
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Thanks for the replies, I'll check both those builds out.

Also, I stopped by a computer store highly recommended by a neighbour of ours, and they suggested this refurbished pre-built:

AM3970-EB13P - $859.99 - Open Box / Remanufactured
INTEL 17-2600 Quad Core 3.40GHZ, 8mb cache
16G DDR3, 2.0TB SATA HDD
DVDRW, GLAN, CARD READER, HDMI
Keyboard & mouse
NVIDIA GEFORCE GT530 2.0GB
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
1 year warranty

What do you guys think?

Thats pretty good pricing, except the gt530 lets it down a lot.

I just finishd putting together a budget build for another poster - his budet was $500 USD ( I think), but I will upgrade where applicable; (Sorry these are all newegg and USD, but gives you a fair idea of what your up for.)

HDD - Cavier black 500 GB $80 -- change this depending on needs, i personally never end up with more than 300gb of data on my drives so 500gb is perfect for me. 1TB = $140
Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

MoBO m5a97 - this is a great board - $ 95
Newegg.com - ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

This card should last the years and outperforms its price IMO - $129 after rebate
Newegg.com - HIS H685FN1GD Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

Cant go wrong with 8gb ram - $47
Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

Best budget quad core and paired with the m5a97 should fly - $110
Newegg.com - AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX

Windows 7 64bit OEM - $100
Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - Operating Systems

PSU - 650W 80-plus gives you some nice upgrade ablility at only $60 after rebate
Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER GX Series RS650-ACAAE3-US 650W ATX12V v2.31 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Case - well, 5/5 with 800 reviews, need i say more? $50
Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Add any disk drive for $25 and you sir, have yourself a computer for ~$700

Now im an intel man myself, but I can admit the fx 4100, dollar for dollar, trades blows with a 2500k and is a solid pick with a m5a97.

Im neither in US or CA so you will need to figure out the exchange yourself, as far as im aware is roughly 1 : 1 am I right? And I think you could get it of NCIX for $750 CAD maybe? I really recommend you build yourself, if you and your dad do it together it should onl take 3-5 hrs and you will be saving money + learning to build, its a lot simpler than it seems and after replacing a video card and power supply there really isnt too much to it, there is a lot of resources out there like video tutorials on youtube (newegg.tv puts out some decent ones) and these forums.

Gooduck!

Well i just did a massive edit and then clicked that damn backbutton on my mouse, .

The jist of it -

Get a 2500k - $220
Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K

Get your mom a really nice and silent case if you think she will appreciate it - Fractal R3 $110
Newegg.com - Fractal Design Define R3 Black Pearl w/ USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Silent PC Computer Case (could even get that white version if thats her thing, but black will outlast it interms of style)

Get a p67 motherboard for that 2500k and it will last that 6 years. $99
Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GA-P67X-UD3-B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Total build the comes in at $870 USD which should be about right on target budget wise in CAD if you build it.

And theres no point buying 7800 series graphics cards ATM as theyr double the price of 6850 for (**EDIT**) ~40% performance, if that. Your better of waiting 3 years and buying a 8850/9850.

Goodluck!

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Thats pretty good pricing, except the gt530 lets it down a lot.

I just finishd putting together a budget build for another poster - his budet was $500 USD ( I think), but I will upgrade where applicable; (Sorry these are all newegg and USD, but gives you a fair idea of what your up for.)

HDD - Cavier black 500 GB $80 -- change this depending on needs, i personally never end up with more than 300gb of data on my drives so 500gb is perfect for me. 1TB = $140
Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

MoBO m5a97 - this is a great board - $ 95
Newegg.com - ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

This card should last the years and outperforms its price IMO - $129 after rebate
Newegg.com - HIS H685FN1GD Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

Cant go wrong with 8gb ram - $47
Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

Best budget quad core and paired with the m5a97 should fly - $110
Newegg.com - AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX

Windows 7 64bit OEM - $100
Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - Operating Systems

PSU - 650W 80-plus gives you some nice upgrade ablility at only $60 after rebate
Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER GX Series RS650-ACAAE3-US 650W ATX12V v2.31 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Case - well, 5/5 with 800 reviews, need i say more? $50
Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Add any disk drive for $25 and you sir, have yourself a computer for ~$700

Now im an intel man myself, but I can admit the fx 4100, dollar for dollar, trades blows with a 2500k and is a solid pick with a m5a97.

Im neither in US or CA so you will need to figure out the exchange yourself, as far as im aware is roughly 1 : 1 am I right? And I think you could get it of NCIX for $750 CAD maybe? I really recommend you build yourself, if you and your dad do it together it should onl take 3-5 hrs and you will be saving money + learning to build, its a lot simpler than it seems and after replacing a video card and power supply there really isnt too much to it, there is a lot of resources out there like video tutorials on youtube (newegg.tv puts out some decent ones) and these forums.

Gooduck!

Well i just did a massive edit and then clicked that damn backbutton on my mouse, .

The jist of it -

Get a 2500k - $220
Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K

Get your mom a really nice and silent case if you think she will appreciate it - Fractal R3 $110
Newegg.com - Fractal Design Define R3 Black Pearl w/ USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Silent PC Computer Case (could even get that white version if thats her thing, but black will outlast it interms of style)

Get a p67 motherboard for that 2500k and it will last that 6 years. $99
Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GA-P67X-UD3-B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Total build the comes in at $870 USD which should be about right on target budget wise in CAD if you build it.

And theres no point buying 7800 series graphics cards ATM as theyr double the price of 6850 for ~20% performance, if that. Your better of waiting 3 years and buying a 8850/9850.

Goodluck!
Are you trying to say the 7850 is 20% higher performance than a 6850? Try a couple of reviews my friend I believe your information is incorrect. This one for example which is my favourite which shows the overclocked 7850 being 1.5 fps lower than the gtx 580 in BF3.
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Thanks for the replies, I'll check both those builds out.

Also, I stopped by a computer store highly recommended by a neighbour of ours, and they suggested this refurbished pre-built:

AM3970-EB13P - $859.99 - Open Box / Remanufactured
INTEL 17-2600 Quad Core 3.40GHZ, 8mb cache
16G DDR3, 2.0TB SATA HDD
DVDRW, GLAN, CARD READER, HDMI
Keyboard & mouse
NVIDIA GEFORCE GT530 2.0GB
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
1 year warranty

What do you guys think?
Nope!

You mentioned a 27" monitor one day and are going to try to game on it with a GT530? That's not going to work, given that my laptop's GT525 barely drives Borderlands at medium settings on its native "720p".
That prebuilt is a multimedia rig (strong CPU but low-end GPU) and won't fit your WoW requirement (unless you want to waste a good monitor it by gaming at low resolution or low settings).

I don't have time to suggest a rig for you, but GTX560 not Ti + cheapest Core i3 on a P67 motherboard (sacrifice the IGP for better power delivery) would be my suggestion since your hardware budget is cut a bit by Windows.
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