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Old February 3, 2012, 02:01 PM
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Default Building a PC for Video Editing - Adobe Premier CS4/5

Hello,
I am from Vancouver Canada.


I am looking to purchase a desktop computer for video editing. The software that I am currently running is Adobe Premier CS4, but I want to make sure my computer is more than capable if I upgrade to Adobe CS5 in the future


Hardware is definitely not my specialty so I would not say I have any brand preferences, and I have no current parts.I am a bit price sensitive although I would like a machine that will allow me to edit video smoothly. My budget is between $2,000 - $3,000 Canadian.

I am getting mixed advice from the sources I am looking to purchase my computer from so I am hoping for some non biased advice, hopefully by somebody who is also familiar with the software I will/plan to be running. Adobe Premiere CS4 or Adobe Premiere CS5.
One thing I have gathered from research is that the required specs on the Adobe website are not adequate to run their software smoothly


In some cases I have read that a hexa core set up is recommended but one of the vendors selling me the quad core setup says that Adobe CS5 does not fully support a hexa core set up and it will only improve performance by about 5%-10%


As well, what performance differences can I expect if I get two 1 TB hard drive or two 2 TB hard drives?


Below are the 3 machines that I am contemplating. 2 were put together in a quote by sellers, and one that I pieced together on a “build your own pc” website. The Hexa core system is really stretching my limits and the one I put together online is much cheaper than both:

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I appreciate all of your help and am humbled by your advice.
Thanks again in advance.

Quad System - $2,735 CAD including tax – Seller #1
Processor
Intel Core i7-2600 3.4GHz TB3.8GHz Quad-Core LGA11 55 8MB HT 95W Processor (BX80623I72600)
Mainboard
Asus P8Z68-V Pro/GEN3 Motherboard - ATX - LGA1155 - Z68 - 4xDDR3 - 2xPCIe16G3 - 4xSATA3 - eSATA USB3.0 - BT - CrossFireX SLI Virtu
Memory - 4 Units
Kingston ValueRAM 4GB (1 x 4GB) - DDR3-1333MHz PC3-10600 - Non ECC - CL9 (KVR1333D3N9/4G)
Hard Drive
OCZ Vertex 3 120GB 2.5" SATA3.0 Sandforce SF-2281 SSD Solid State Drive VTX3-25SAT3-120G ## OS / Programs
Hard Drive - 2 units
Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Internal 3.5" Hard Drive (WD2002FAEX)## 1 for media, 1 for pagefile/scratch/renders
Video Card
Asus GeForce GTX580 DirectCU II Video Card - 782MHz - 1.5GB DDR5 - 2xDVI/DP/HDMI - SLI (ENGTX580 DCII/2DIS/1536MD)1## GPU acceleration for Adobe Premiere

Optical Drive
ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer OEM Black
Casing
Antec P280 Quiet Performance Mid-Tower XL-ATX 3x5.25" 6x3.5" up to 8x2.5" 9xExpansion Slots USB3.0 Internal Header HD Audio
## Includes 3 speed adjustable fans

Power
Antec Earthwatts 750W Power Supply ATX12V V2.2 EPS12V Active PFC 80PLUS 120MM Fan
Software
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit PC Eng OEM FQC-04649
Other
A-Power Computer PC Assembly & Testing Service

Hexa Core System - $2,467 CAD including tax – Seller #2
64992Intel Core i7 3930K 6 Core 12MB 3.2GHZ Hyperthreading Unlocked LGA2011 Processor No HSF [BX80619I73930K] [Reg. $655.98] 1 $629.99 $629.99 65537
ASUS P9X79 Pro ATX LGA2011 X79 DDR3 4PCI-E16 2PCI-E SATA3 USB3.0 SLI CrossFireX Audio Motherboard [P9X79 Pro] [Reg. $343.52] 1 $329.99 $329.99 57076
Corsair CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 Vengeance 16GB 4X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit [CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9] [Reg. $104.30] 1 $96.99 $96.99 60445
Crucial M4 SSD Micron C400 128GB 2.5IN Solid State Disk Flash Drive SATA3 6Gbps [CT128M4SSD2] [Reg. $213.64] 1 $184.99 $184.99 65701
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA 6Gbps 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive - OEM [ST1000DM003] [Reg. $114.99] 2 $109.99 $219.98 58347
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti Fermi 850MHZ 1024MB 4104MHZ GDDR5 2xDVI Mini-HDMI PCI-E Video Card [01G-P3-1561-AR] 1 $269.94 $269.94 62825
Corsair Enthusiast Series TX650M 650W ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan 5 Year Warranty [CP-9020002-NA] [Reg. $110.85] 1 $100.99 $100.99 63334
Fractal Design Define R3 Black ATX Mid Tower Silent Computer Case 2X5.25 8X3.5INT USB3.0 No PS [FD-CA-DEF-R3-USB3-BL] [Reg. $114.99] 1 $109.99 $109.99 45275
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Edition 64BIT DVD SP1 OEM [FQC-04649] [Reg. $149.98] 1 $139.99 $139.99 45667
Samsung SH-S243D/BEBE 24X Black DVD Writer SATA OEM [SH-S243D/BEBE] [Reg. $27.99] 1 $19.99 $19.99 61379
Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H80 High Performance CPU Cooler System LGA775 1366 1156 1155 AM2 AM3 [CWCH80] [Reg. $109.99] 1 $99.99 $99.99 Comments:
Shipping & Handling:$0.00SUBTOTAL:$2,202.83HST(12%):$264.34TOTAL:CAD $2,467.17 ALL PRICES IN CANADIAN DOLLARS BALANCE:$2,467.17






Custom PC – Put together in online “Build your own PC” Total: $2,170 Canadian including tax
  • Processor (CPU): Intel Core i7 960 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 3.2GHZ - $398.98 CAD
  • · Is it necessary to stretch my budget forr the hexa-core Core i7-980X is $990?
  • CPU Cooling: Collermaster GeminII S524 CPU Heatsink LGA 1366 - $38
  • Motherboard: Asus P8z68-V Pro GEN3 ATX LGA 1155 - $225
  • DDR3 Memory (RAM): Corsair Vengeance 12Gb 3X4 GB DDR3 – 1600 CL9-9-9-24 XMP - $86.79
  • Video Card: AMD Radeon HD 6950 800 MHZ 2GB 5GHZ GDDR5 PCI-E - $302.10
  • Computer Case: Cooler Master Haf 932 Advanced Full Tower EATX Case 7X5.25 2X3.5 - $159.99
  • Power Supply: Seasonic S12II 620W EPS12V 20/24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC - $77.88
  • LCD Monitor: Acer X223WDBD 22IN Widescreen LCD Monitor Black 1680X1050 - $137.64
  • Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64 BIT - $119.98
  • Storage:
  • 2 Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6GBéS 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache - $149.98 X 2 = $300
  • 1 – Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 7200.12 1TB SATA 32MB Cache – 1 X $149.98

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Old February 3, 2012, 02:11 PM
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Your custom rig is not compatible cpu to motherboard (X58 vs. Z68). In that same rig - for Premiere Pro I would change the GPU for the nVidia models that Adobe certified for the Mercury Engine.

I just built a rig for the Wife, same purpose - Adobe Premiere Pro and Photoshop. I went the AMD route, using a Opteron 6272 (16 cores), 32Gb of ram, 1 120Gb SSD (OS and apps), dual Black 500Gb HDDs in Raid 0 as scratch disks, all on a Supermicro H8SGL-F server board, inside a Lian-Li PC-A05N. Power comes from a Seasonic X560w Gold PSU. For the Premiere Mercury Engine, I used a GTX570, which is overkill for the need.
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Old February 3, 2012, 02:21 PM
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I would be building a LGA2011 for these uses personally. 32GB memory, 3930K, Sabertooth X79 or similar, 128GB SSD and a storage HD, GTX 570 or 580 for prem mercury engine. Similar to system 2 but build it yourself and save some $$. We can help with any questions and concerns and most importantly welcome!
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Old February 4, 2012, 05:32 AM
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The biggest factors to consider are... how big are the videos your going to be editing... how much effects do you use.. how much do you need your data to be safe..

Build 2 looks the best if your doing large / large amounts of edits with lots of effects etc..

CS5 will run on my laptop reasonably well... but I pull anything big in and it chugs..

16gig ram.. yes.. 32 if possible.. 6 core processor.. yes but get the newer one not the i7 9XX (thats a 3 year old chip and not worth the bucks) GPU, 560Ti should be fine.. look up as said the supported cards.
For storage, 2x the seagate 3TB (raid em and have them mirrored if you CAN'T lose your data)

You'll burn through large amounts of storage if your anything like me and don't like throwing away any stock video / images. and you really don't want a HDD to go and take all your work with it.

If you don't go the mirrored HDD route then get some kind of good backup solution that can last and take large amounts of data

P.S. A server grade chip will chug through renders far far faster than anything for the desktop market... But will cost (unless you go second hand)
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Old February 4, 2012, 10:50 AM
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CS4/5 not compatible with 6-cores? Someone please educate me on this. I thought if it can use multi-thread it doesn't care how many cores/threads there are unless it's limited specifically. Don't really have any experience with this particular line of work but would a 1TB drive enough to be a scratch drive? +N to getting Nvidia, especially those on their approved list. I'm very concern about RAIDing any drives from WD & Seagate since my 7200.11 and 7200.12 completely died from being used on a 3Ware RAID card. Same thing with WD since they sell RE drives and deliberately turn off features on their desktop drives which prevent them from working properly on hardware RAID. Can you even get 1x8 GB RAMs at the moment?
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Old February 7, 2012, 08:06 PM
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Default New set up based on feedback - Does this work?

Thank you for all the responses. It allowed me to go back to the drawing board. I have since got a little more specific on my assembly.

Motherboard - Sabertooth X79
CPU - i7-3930K Processor
CPU Cooler - Coolermaster GeminII S524 CPU Heatsink LGA 1366
DDR3 Memory (Ram) - Corsair Vengeance 16GB 4X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit
SSD - Crucial M4 SSD Micron C400 128Gb 2.5 IN Solid State Disk Drive SATA3 6Gbps
HDD - 2 units - Western Digital Caviar Black 2 TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64 MB
GPU - GeForce GTX 570CasingCoolermaster Haf 932
Power Supply - Corsair 850W Pro Series Gold PSU
Software - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64 Bit

I have assembled this for about $2,250 before taxes and any shipping. I am paying an extra $500-$600 to implement a hex core set up. Is this necessary or would a quad core set up with all the same other components work fine.


My use will initially be for educational web videos with minimal effects, 3-5 min long. I uses my Nikon DSLR camera to shoot HD videos that I will be editing. I will be using green screen, picture in picture, multiple layers for charts, titles etc.

I guess my first question is, are all the components in this set up compatible. Will it work if I order all the parts online? Do you see any red flags or is there anything that raises concerns. Do I have everything I need?

Hardware is definitely my weakness. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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Old February 7, 2012, 09:22 PM
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CPU Cooler - Coolermaster GeminII S524 CPU Heatsink LGA 1366
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Your CPU Cooler is not compatible with socket LGA 2011 (GeminII S524 - Cooler Master - Leading Provider of Computer Case | Cooler | Power Supply), which the Intel Core i7-3930K has as the interface.

Eldonko suggested X79 Sabertooth, however I don't see why it's cheaper cousin Asus X79 Pro is not a viable option.

Will your machine be a "stand-alone" or part of a network (if you stated that already, I missed it, sry) or will you be at any point in the future connecting to a network? If so, get Windows 7 Pro 64-bit.
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Old February 8, 2012, 09:24 AM
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My system will be a stand alone system and not part of a network, but I have decided to Windows 7 Pro 64 bit as the cost difference is not much at all.

I noticed my cooler was not compatable with the LGA 2011, thank you for that link.

After reading about some technical set up issues using an SSD for a boot drive and the problems that occur if it is set up wrong, I think I am going to go with another HDD. Extra boot up time and noise are not an issue for me at all. Will I be losing any thing else (performance wise) by switching my boot drive from an SSD to and HDD.

As well, does anybody have any suggestions of local providers in Vancouver, Canada where I can buy all the parts to this machine at very competative price?

Thanks

If I assemble this computer myself, it will be my first. Is there any common pitfalls that are overlooked by a newbie that I should be aware of, or any absolute no no's that could damage any of the equipment if done incorrectly?

Thanks again
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Old February 8, 2012, 09:33 AM
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Build list looks good, just ensure you get a cooler with LGA2011 mounting. You cant really set your SSD up wrong, installing windows on that is the same thing as on a regular HD. I would stick with it for the performance. SSD doesnt just speed up boot time, reads, writes, and performance in general is better.

Assembly is pretty easy, just check and double check that you have everything connected before booting it up and dont forget to use standoffs in your case and dont forget thermal paste! On first boot I typically enter BIOS right away and have a look at the monitoring page to ensure temps look good. If you have any questions just ask and we can help.

For a place to buy from I typically use NCIX because they have cheap shipping and they price match. Add everything to your cart and then check sites like newegg.ca and direct canada for cheaper prices. You can save a fair amount of money doing that.
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Old February 8, 2012, 12:26 PM
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The info I got on SSD and video editing was from the adobe forum.

Not sure of the accuracy but definately enough technical talk to keep me away from the SSD for video editing. Below is the link:

SSD and Video Editing http://forums.adobe.com/thread/902915?tstart=0

Any feed back on that would be helpful. I am going to be buying may parts soon.

Thanks to everybody who contributed.

I will update the outcome once my machine is up and running.
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