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Old January 2, 2012, 12:40 PM
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Hmm at 19" you'll be running 1400x900 or somewhere around there. You'd be safe with a GTX 560 without the Ti at that resolution.
See: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...op,2944-6.html
(Wow, it's hard to find reviews at less than 1680x1050 these days!)
What you'll end up with on a 19" monitor will be BETWEEN the 1280x1024 and the 1680x1050 results. Considering that 30 FPS is playable, I have no objections on a GTX 560 at that resolution.

To directly answer your question, a system with an i5 2500 without the K is still a good system. BUT...
The issue with getting a 2500 vs a 2500k is that the price difference is extremely small - here it's around $10 - less than 5% the cost of the processor. I just can't recommend crippling your overclocking (even if you don't plan to overclock now) over such a small difference in price. That said, that's the opinion of a hardware enthusiast who tries to burn out his hardware after it is EOL. If you really don't care about overclocking and can accept that you'll have to upgrade to a new CPU sooner, then you can get the 2500 without K.
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Old January 2, 2012, 01:26 PM
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Hmm at 19" you'll be running 1400x900 or somewhere around there. You'd be safe with a GTX 560 without the Ti at that resolution.
See: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...op,2944-6.html
(Wow, it's hard to find reviews at less than 1680x1050 these days!)
What you'll end up with on a 19" monitor will be BETWEEN the 1280x1024 and the 1680x1050 results. Considering that 30 FPS is playable, I have no objections on a GTX 560 at that resolution.

To directly answer your question, a system with an i5 2500 without the K is still a good system. BUT...
The issue with getting a 2500 vs a 2500k is that the price difference is extremely small - here it's around $10 - less than 5% the cost of the processor. I just can't recommend crippling your overclocking (even if you don't plan to overclock now) over such a small difference in price. That said, that's the opinion of a hardware enthusiast who tries to burn out his hardware after it is EOL. If you really don't care about overclocking and can accept that you'll have to upgrade to a new CPU sooner, then you can get the 2500 without K.
You talk about the minimal difference of cpus but why not gpus?
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Old January 2, 2012, 10:24 PM
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Don't buy pre-built.. simples... you can build a computer thats better for less (usually)

If you've never messed about with components there are many many video's a guides (as well as instruction manuals that come with parts)

For gaming I'd suggest the i5.. if you fancy trying overclocking then get the k series chip (i5 2500k) if not then don't.

The graphics card.. if your going to be on 1920 x 1080 (full HD and the most popular resolution of monitors these days at 21" or higher) then I would suggest a 560 Ti at least to max out the graphics for a while.

At the end of the day your not going to know what you need until you SEE the differences.
Try asking a shop / friends to show you what they have and what it looks like
(if you not used to looking at different game settings etc you may not see much difference unless they are side by side)
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Old January 3, 2012, 10:38 AM
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Okay guys, I really appreciate the help and thorough answers. I feel I've gotten a lot of useful information. Amazingly, it seems I'm about to run out of questions but a two.

First off, the pc won't be pre-built. I'll place an order and they'll built it for me using quality components. And I will ask them a bit about this before I purchase. No worries there, I know to not just pick a pre-built system from any computer store.

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Hmm at 19" you'll be running 1400x900 or somewhere around there. You'd be safe with a GTX 560 without the Ti at that resolution.
See: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...op,2944-6.html
(Wow, it's hard to find reviews at less than 1680x1050 these days!)
What you'll end up with on a 19" monitor will be BETWEEN the 1280x1024 and the 1680x1050 results. Considering that 30 FPS is playable, I have no objections on a GTX 560 at that resolution.

To directly answer your question, a system with an i5 2500 without the K is still a good system. BUT...
The issue with getting a 2500 vs a 2500k is that the price difference is extremely small - here it's around $10 - less than 5% the cost of the processor. I just can't recommend crippling your overclocking (even if you don't plan to overclock now) over such a small difference in price. That said, that's the opinion of a hardware enthusiast who tries to burn out his hardware after it is EOL. If you really don't care about overclocking and can accept that you'll have to upgrade to a new CPU sooner, then you can get the 2500 without K.
So, final questions:
1. Nice link with the benchmark results. Though it seems that the GTX560 is more than capable enough of running a high end game such as Crysis 2 on "very high details no AA" on a 1920x1080 screen on +50fps min and +60fps average. So I assume that for my current games, GTX560 will be more than enough, also regarding (perhaps only near) future games though I can see the GTX560Ti delivers higher performance. Tbh i'm not quite sure what my point is other than just stating it. Well yes I'm just not sure the company I'm looking at (MM-Vision) have the GTX560Ti that's all. And then I really think getting a GTX570 would be using money I don't need to use, overkill. It's not really a question but I think that was the point.

2. They do have both the 2500 and 2500k, the price difference is exactly 12,25$. Very low as you said:
Intel Core i5-2500 4x3.30GHz (Socket LGA1155) kun 1459,- hos MM-Vision
Intel Core i5-2500K 4x3.30GHz (Socket LGA1155) kun 1529,- hos MM-Vision
The 2500 (and i7-2600) are the ones they set available for my system and I can imagine it is because the motherboard is the one with the H6x (I think you called it) chipset. I'll ask them about this. Then of couse it's logic not to get the 2500k as the chipset won't overclock anyway. Should I then really go with the i7-2600 instead in order to not having to upgrade to a new CPU sooner, as you put it? Or doesn't it really matter?

That's it, I think I'm done.
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Old January 3, 2012, 06:31 PM
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Should I then really go with the i7-2600 instead in order to not having to upgrade to a new CPU sooner, as you put it? Or doesn't it really matter?
It's not quite that simple... see Silent_Avenger's post early in this thread.

See this review page: AnandTech - The Sandy Bridge Review: Intel Core i7-2600K, i5-2500K and Core i3-2100 Tested
There's not much of a difference between a 2500 and 2600 in gaming because games don't use hyperthreading, which is the biggest difference between the two processors. The higher frame rates are more due to the extra 100MHz than the 2500 vs 2600 feature set. There's no reason to get a 2600 (K or otherwise) for just gaming.

Can't you ask for a P67 or Z68 motherboard and a 2500k? H67 and P67 motherboards go for about the same price (assuming similar feature sets). That combination will make for a longer lasting gaming computer than a H6x and 2600 or 2500. In the site you listed, I do notice some Gigabyte Z68s which will work. Avoid those Intel boards however, because I own one and it does not like overclocking - I barely justified my purchase of a 2500k over a 2500 trying to overclock with it

EDIT: changed the review page because the original one actually overclocked their 2600K
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As said above, it's not that simple..

On the chip-sets, H61 and H67 do not allow you to oc. This will defeat the point of getting any k series chip.
P67 is cheaper and has a couple of features less than a z68, but there isn't much difference really.
Z68 if you can as the few extra features may benefit you some day but P67 would be more than sufficient.

On the GPU, if your getting a monitor that has less than a 1920x1080 resolution the 560 should be good enough for a good while (especially if it's 1440x900 or less)
Most monitors at 19" are 1366x768.. the sweet spot is a 22" at the moment and you'll find that most are 1920x1080.

If you'r going for the smaller monitor, then yes the 560 is plenty.. if the slightly larger on then I would suggest a Ti, though the 560 will probably do with some reduced settings.
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Okay, thank you all you have been very helpful. It is much appreciated.

I kid you not when I say that they since yesterday updated the product page of the built variant I'm looking at which means it now features a Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 motherboard instead of the Gigabyte PH67 motherboard. So I guess that's all good and ready for all the overclocking I'd either like or don't like to do, yes?
Vision Game hos MM-Vision.dk

The processors they show are still the i7-2600 and i5-2500 but I'll ask them about the i5-2500k. I'll find a good monitor that fits my needs and then I'll decide upon the graphics card.

Thanks a ton!

Edit: A quick yes/no: We are in agreement that an i5-2500 is just as powerful as a not overclocked i5-2500k, right?

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Edit: A quick yes/no: We are in agreement that an i5-2500 is just as powerful as a not overclocked i5-2500k, right?
Yes they should be around the same.

But for the price difference (and now with z68 board) you should get the k if possible.. whether your going to OC or not (will up the resale value if nothing else)


On your GPU, if you get a monitor that does 1920x1080 then your looking at a 560Ti / 6950 as a very good base.
If budget allows I'd personally go for a 570 / 6970, but it's not entirely necessary.
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Very well. Thank you a lot for the help!, all of you. It is, as said before, much appreciated. :-)
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Old January 6, 2012, 06:20 AM
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Yes they should be around the same.

But for the price difference (and now with z68 board) you should get the k if possible.. whether your going to OC or not (will up the resale value if nothing else)


On your GPU, if you get a monitor that does 1920x1080 then your looking at a 560Ti / 6950 as a very good base.
If budget allows I'd personally go for a 570 / 6970, but it's not entirely necessary.
570 is a waste of money. Either go 560ti or 580 :p
Price difference between a 2500 and 2500k is so minimal get the K for the fun factor
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