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Old February 6, 2011, 10:21 PM
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So I'm a university student working on a budget trying to make my first PC build. I was looking up individual parts on tigerdirect trying to get the best value for my money when I found this kit Buy the Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H Six Core Barebones Kit at TigerDirect.ca this kit blew anything I could make out of the water. All the parts seem to be atleast decent although I couldn't find much about sparkl PSU's but what I did hear was all good.

I used a PSU calculator to see how much power I would need and the 500W is definately adequate. Also I was thinking of picking up either a 5850 or a GTX 460 1gb or maybe even a 5770 (but i've read that at that price I should go with GTX460 768).

So what do you guys think? IS this as sweet of a deal as it seems or is my building inexperience making it look better.

P.S I'm gonna be using it for some light gaming mostly league of legends but I plan on picking up Diablo III when it comes out and I want it to be able to play that well (i know the specs aren't out yet but they can't be too high).
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hey dude. welcome aboard.

yeah i guess the combo is not bad.

the hard drive will be a tad slow for an os drive, the case is fine but nothing secial..

the sparkle will be fine for low power gpus, with that system. 25 amps, times 12v gives you

300 usable watts in the 12v rail. now, if it can do 300 day and night itll be fine.

your system will pull perhaps 200 watts on said 12v rail, and adding a discrete gpu, well check this out

ASUS GeForce GT 440 1 GB Review - Page 24/30 | techPowerUp

look at peak numbers for gaming and maximum under not so normal stress conditions, like furmark or such.

so basically you will need something stronger for psu if you want either of those cards


if i were you though, id build it myself. right now id go for intel i3 and clock it high.

the amds do well, but per thread performance is behind. also power consumption is higher

a bit.
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Well I intend to buy an SSD when I can afford it and i'll switch the OS over to that.
So basically I'll get better performance with and i3 550 OC'd than the Phenom II x6 1100t OC'd?

I used this Thermaltake Power Supply Calculator PSU calculator and with the soecs with all of those cards I come in under even with 30% capacitor aging (i've been told 20 is standard) and I come in 100 watts lower with the 5770. I actually came in a lot higher with the i3 in there OC'd.

Also what if I just uograde the PSU after? Will using a PSU that doesnt put out enough ruin my parts?

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm arguing I'm just trying to pick your brain lol

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Well I intend to buy an SSD when I can afford it and i'll switch the OS over to that.
So basically I'll get better performance with and i3 550 OC'd than the Phenom II x6 1100t OC'd?

I used this Thermaltake Power Supply Calculator PSU calculator and with the soecs with all of those cards I come in under even with 30% capacitor aging (i've been told 20 is standard) and I come in 100 watts lower with the 5770. I actually came in a lot higher with the i3 in there OC'd.

Also what if I just uograde the PSU after? Will using a PSU that doesnt put out enough ruin my parts?

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm arguing I'm just trying to pick your brain lol
IMO that bundle isn't really anything good, you can get the exact same parts separately for about the same price. Which is actually surprising for Tigerdirect as their bundles usually just look good but actually suck. Their prices have been pretty inflated as of late too.

Your system is going to be ridiculously sluggish with that drive, buy an SSD off the bat or don't buy the bundle. I'm personally still wary of Seagate drives, after the firmware issues with the Momentus XT and the .11's.

9/10 games won't make use of the 6 cores on the 1100T. Many games still rely on raw clock speed over threads, an i3 (1156 models only) will typically clock higher more easily.

Power supply calculators honestly aren't necessary and aren't anywhere near accurate when you OC. Rough estimates from TDP's of your parts are better if you plan on overclocking. (do you honestly think a 32nm dual core with a lower TDP and more efficient architecture will suck more power than a 45nm hexacore with a high TDP?)

As for capacitor aging, don't even bother with it, by the time it becomes an issue you'll either have a newer, more efficient PSU or something else will have failed. (10+ years of near 24/7 usage)

Not getting enough power from your PSU will only result in 2 scenarios; system instability or a fried PSU. (if it's a bad unit) You realistically won't run into this unless you try to run a system off of a 100W PSU or something like that. Just make sure to buy a quality PSU with good voltage regulation and known good components. Wattage doesn't need to be pointlessly high, just make sure it's enough for your system.
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+1 for the i3 notion.
Or if you can afford an i5-655K you'll be even better off.
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Okay so basically my budget is $600 and I haven't been able to make the i3 under that with 4gb ram. I'm currently using TigerDirect, NCIX and Newegg anyone want to suggest sites where i might be able to find some stuff cheaper? Also if anyone wants to recommend some parts that would be great, I'm not all that worried about noise considering it will only be used for gaming because i have my laptop for homework and stuff.
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NCIX.com - Buy NCIX Value Bundle Deal Intel Core i3 550 3.2GHZ CPU & MSI H55M-E33 DDR3 mATX Motherboard - i3 550 & H55M-E33 In Canada.

Don't know if that's what you want $193+mir.
DDR3 is cheap these days 2x2GB $40ish
Gigabyte gtx460 768MB $153
psu $60
seagate 500GB $37(BD $36)
DVD/cd 15-$19
$502 and find a free case somewhere.

$4.99 shipping this week.

Or build around a x3 445, x4 955BE and gtx 460.

Ps price match at ncix using directcanada, bestdirect or what ever else. Search in shobot.ca.
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the i3's do better per thread,performance wise.

in a multithreaded application it will get its little clarkdale arse handed to it lol

lets put it this way..youll be spending 200 bucks on mobo and cpu. thats value right there.

and even on stock cooler it can reach cool oc's. check the reviews.

and for psu, antec 430 and up. thats roughly 300 watts of usable 12v rail. not much, but for a power

sipping i3 it means you can add a discreete gpu like a 6850.
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NCIX.com - Buy Corsair Builder Series CMPSU-600CX 600W ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan *2 Year Wrty* - CMPSU-600CX In Canada.

Dangtx is this psu any good for the op? $55 600w corsair but system builder, I don't know if they're as good as the TX. corsair
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+1 for the i3 notion.
Or if you can afford an i5-655K you'll be even better off.
Not with the current sandy bridge fiasco.
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