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Old January 9, 2011, 01:34 PM
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Hello all!

I'm using a condensed version of the sticky notes (question numbers are the same, just I didn't put the whole question).
Essentially I'm looking to do a SB build, since I can't wait for Bulldozer, and I don't want to get hit by the inefficiency of X58. I'm planning a build to platform-upgrade my main rig (Phenom 9950 / GA MA770-UD3 / OCZ 8GB DDR2-800 / Radeon 4870 512 / Kingston V Series / WD Caviar Black 1 TB). I find my computer getting CPU-bottlenecked in RTS games and anything else that's 1-2 thread optimized (e.g. file compression for running backups).
I've never handled any DDR3 or any compute part manufactured smaller than 55nm (GPU), and I have yet to own a CPU that was manufactured with a process smaller than 65nm. (Heck I haven't built with an LGA CPU before ) Because this is a >1 generation jump, I'm unsure about RAM, cooling, and the GPU.

1 Use:
Uses of the computer will be gaming (my taste in games varies widely between RPG / FPS / RTS), software dev, academics, virtual machine experiments, and web browsing. I do a very small amount of image and video processing, but not enough to care if my build is not optimized for those. I also want to improve my F@H PPD! I tend to keep my computer crunching F@H / Rosetta whenever those tasks do not cripple the CPU and GPU, so my RAM occasionally runs out if I use 4GB.
2 Budget: $800 before taxes and shipping, although I doubt I'll need that much for my needs.
3 Buying from: NCIX / Newegg Canada / Canada Computers (local) / DirectCanada
4 Brand prefs: I'd like an nVidia GPU for folding. If Radeon 6870s didn't have such horrible PPD I would've bought one of those two months ago...
5 Current parts that I'll reuse:
- Keyboard/mouse
- LG L206W 20" monitor
- Case: Lancool PC-K62
- Old Altec Lansing 2.1 speakers / headphones that will make audiophiles facepalm at me
- Can reuse my Radeon 4870 512MB if a non-blast furnace GPU is in the works to release in the next 30 days.
- Seasonic M12 600W (the original M12, not the M12 II)
- Kingston SSDNow V (not plus) Series 128GB
- WD Caviar Black 1 TB (WD1002FAEX)
- Windows 7 Professional
6 (search other threads?): Not really as there isn't an abundance of these threads fully developed yet, although I was following SB since about September.
7 (overclock?): A mild to moderate OC (e.g. ~200MHz before the breaking point, or to BEFORE the point you have to increase volts by a lot to get more clocks)
8 (when to build?): Buying in the next 14 days, building whenever the parts arrive.
9 (resolution?): 1680x1050 (20" 16:10 monitor), +8x AA for games that are mal-programmed to eat any computer for breakfast

As noted above, this is essentially a CPU/mobo/RAM/GPU upgrade. This is what I have planned for now (will edit as suggestions come in):

$230 - Core i5 2500k (seems the going rate for NCIX/Newegg)
EDIT1: $165 - NCIX.com - Buy Gigabyte P67A-UD3P ATX LGA1155 P67 DDR3 3PCI-E1 2PCI 1PCI-E16 CrossFireX SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard - GA-P67A-UD3P In Canada.
-- Is making the secondary x16 slot electrically x8 instead of x4 worth the $35 jump to the UD4? (I don't plan on going SLI)
$80 DDR3 2x4GB kit-of-the-day, e.g. Newegg.ca - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model F3-8500CL7D-8GBRL
EDIT1: $182.77 - Pricematch Buy Gigabyte [GV-N460OC-1GI] Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 Fermi 715MHZ 1Gb GDDR5 2XDVI Mini-HDMI PCI-E DX11 Video Card
$35.99 - Xigmatek Dark Knight Newegg.ca - XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V REV.W with ACK-I5361 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler I7 i5 775 1155 and AMD compatible
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$(106.24 wiggle room left in budget)

** EDIT1: I know the GPU and motherboard don't have to come from the same company - just that the HWC price compare turned up the Giga GTX 460 as the lowest price aside from a Galaxy model

Any comments on either the new parts or the old parts that I'm reusing? Particularly I'd like to know if the cooling components I've picked (GPU and CPU) will be louder than my 1000RPM, 140mm case fans that work at 9V.

Thanks :)
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Old January 9, 2011, 01:44 PM
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purfect. dont forget, sb runs monster clocks straight on the stock cooler, no need for phase change to get 4.5+ ghz :)

i would go passive on it though, just for kicks.

besides that? go for it.

oh yeah, and try to stay with a giga or asus mobo at the same pricep oint. the msi is nice, but not at that price :)


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Newegg.ca - GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3P LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

or the gd65 from msi if you like the company
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Old January 9, 2011, 02:33 PM
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Buy 6GB of ram?

I don't know why you'd buy 4GB when DDR3 is back to being 'cheap.'
Ditto on re-considering your mobo, not that MSI is bad.
I bought the Gigabyte o/c series GTX 460 1GB and I know they are super quiet and can be bought for under $190. Right now FAHmon is listing 9k PPD. The big adv 50k point WUs take about 4.5 hours. The 'normal' size WU take about 3h 15m @ 715 core o/c.

If you really want to pump up your PPD, spend your extra budget to get a 2nd GPU like a GTS 450 (sorry, I'm not familiar with the 2xx series, so I can't make suggestions there) or GT 430 as a dedicated PhysX & F@H card. The GTX 460 1GB will get you respectable gaming quality at 1680x1050, but if you're a nut-case for always playing at max settings + AA, you'll want to upgrade to something better (although it will be hard to fit in the budget).

The $ you save on a GPU (you can price match the GTX 460 1GB to about $182) and after-market cooler (you don't need one if you are not tweaking voltage) will be enough to cover an upgrade to 6GB of memory and enough for a second GPU or upgrading to something like a 570.
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Thanks for the replies so far.
The Giga UD3P / UD4 were also on my short-list (I'm leaning more towards the UD4 because the second x16 physical slot on the UD3P is electrically 4x, vs an electrical 8x on the UD4.)
@_dangtx_ - Haha I wonder if the DK is a big enough heatsink to go passive on a stock or undervolted i5...
I am going to go with an 8 GB kit made of two 4 GB sticks, since I had to loosen my timings to get my current machine stable with 4x 2 GB.

@draemn - I listed the Hawk GTX 460 because of the higher factory clock, but I just noticed that I could probably OC a reference GTX 460 to about the same... NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB & GTX 460 768MB Review
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dont think its worth it. if you case fits it get the king, aka hr-02. more expensive yes, is it the best in its class,probably for a little while? yup.
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Old January 9, 2011, 04:35 PM
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Ya, I'm not going to get a massive, more expensive cooler to run passive 24/7, although I'll surely try it with whatever cooler I have for fun with an IR thermometer handy. There's no point in a passive CPU cooler since the top exhaust fan is making noise anyway. My Phenom 9950 overwhelmed a fanless Zerotherm BTF-90 in about 35 seconds of Linpack. Maybe the Core i5 with a 120mm class heatsink will last a little longer
I'll wait until NCIX's sisters + CC (not counting some stores' early unofficial release) + PCCyber start listing the SB parts as well for some better pricematching opportunities before buying.

Is it worth going for a GTX 470 instead of an OC GTX 460 1GB? I was just terrified of the power consumption and temperatures exceeding that of my old Radeon 4850 single slot when it came out.
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cool.

it depends if the 460 doesnt cut it.yes.
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