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Old August 27, 2010, 10:05 AM
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Hey gang,

Just looking for some friendly advice on my build. The last computer I put together was about 7 years ago, and was a mid-entry system. Recently it experienced a major hardware failure (YAY!) which means that I can justify building a new system.

A couple things to note before I get into the nitty-gritty... I'm looking to spend $1000-$1200. I still have a 22" LG LCD monitor which is fine. I don't plan on doing any overclocking in the immediate future, but down the road it's definitely a possibility.

I've done a fair amount of research so far and think that my choices are good for my price range.

This case I'm set on... its cheap and provides what I'm looking for. Pleased it doesn't have lights. I probably won't budge on this one.
Case - Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Power supply I'm still unsure of. My friend recommended a 750W since I might crossfire at a later time. Do you guys think this PS would be sufficient for my needs?
PS - CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready

I've always been an Intel guy, but for my build type and performance requirements this seems to be a good option.
CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor

I've been reading about video cards extensivily and I think this option is the best bang for my buck...
VIDEO - ZOTAC ZT-40402-10P GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Room to budge on ram. Happy to take any advice you can give.
RAM -G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

Lastly...
Motherboard - I have no friggin clue. This MSI board was suggested to me (MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard) sounds great but I've read mixed reviews. This is where I really need help selecting the right one.

I've already purchased a Kingston 64gb SSD for Windows 7. I got a good deal so I bought early. This will be paired with a 1TB WD or Seagate.

Any advice is much appreciated!!!

Cheers,
Cameron
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Old August 27, 2010, 10:32 AM
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im not a big fan of the case, you may want to look at the precision series, like the ps04b in that price range
great psu, a little bit overkill for current needs.
might want to consider the 1055t since its not too far off.
good choice of video card.
rams ok
mobo wise, if you dont sli later on(or dont care to try a driver hack) get a nice giga 870a. you can look up sky's review, monster clocker and cheap too. unfortunately we dont have proper sli amd mobos anymore. wel lthere are a coupl e but an unknown. 980a nvidia chipseted
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Old August 27, 2010, 10:39 AM
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That board would no doubt be good but since you are going with a Nvidia graphics card you will want a board that supports sli just in case down the road you add a second card. I have found 3 boards at NCIX 2 around the $110 price point and 1 around $180 right now they have a $20 MIR for it.

ASUS M4N75TD NCIX.com - Buy ASUS M4N75TD ATX AM3 DDR3 nForce 750A SLI 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 2PCI 6SATA Sound GBLAN Motherboard - M4N75TD In Canada.

MSI NF750-G55 ttp://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=44783&vpn=NF750-G55&manufacture=MSI%2FMicroStar

MSI NF980-G65 NCIX.com - Buy MSI NF980-G65 ATX AM3 nForce 980A SLI DDR3 3XPCI-E16 2XPCI-E 2XPCI SATA RAID GBLAN Audio Motherboard - NF980-G65 In Canada.

or go for a core i5 setup

i5 750 $204 Buy Intel [BX80605I5750] Intel Core i5 750 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.66GHZ 8MB Cache Retail Box

MSI P55A-G55 P55 $130 Newegg.ca - MSI P55A-G55 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

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Old August 27, 2010, 10:47 AM
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Hey;
Welcome to the forum. You did not mention what the computer will be used for mostly, but since you are using a 7 year-old system I can assume your needs are not extreme.

I tend to stick to Intel builds myself, but from looking through your post I can make the following suggestions:

1. Case: I had the Antec 900 and I hated the cable management. But for ~$60, it is not bad I suppose. I would go with this one: Coolermaster 690 Basic: NCIX.com - Buy Coolermaster CM 690 II Basic ATX Mid Tower Case Black 4X5.25 6X3.5INT Front USB eSATA Audio *No PSU* - RC-692-KKN3 In Canada. The LED can be turned off.

2. PSU: fine.

3. CPU: The black ed cpus don't come with a HSF. If you get that cpu you mentioned, you should add a Coolermaster Hyper 212+ for about $30.
If you upgrade every 6-7 years, why not get an AMD chip with 6 cores? Multi-threaded apps are the future. While not terribly important now, may be useful for you down the road:
Phenom X6 1055T: NCIX.com - Buy AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 6 Core Processor 2.8GHZ Socket AM3 Retail Box - HDT55TFBGRBOX In Canada.

4. Video card: this is a great card for most people. Please note that this card would only work in SLI, and AMD is Crossfire so you will not be using this card in an AMD setup for Crossfire. You would have to get an ATI video card. Many Intel boards allow crossfire or SLI.

5. Ram: fine

6. Mobo: if you want AMD, then why not get a board with USB 3.0, and an up to date chipset. Try this Gigabyte 870A board: NCIX.com - Buy Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3 AMD870 ATX AM3 DDR3 1PCI-E 2PCI RAID HD Sound GBLAN SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard - GA-870A-UD3 In Canada.

Just so you know my experience is that if you have an SSD, then the easiest route (due to drivers) is to go with Intel. maybe there are new driver developments for AMD and SSDs, but if not, try this Intel setup instead:

Mobo: Gigabyte P55A USB 3.0 mobo: NCIX.com - Buy Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard - GA-P55A-UD4P In Canada.
the above mobo will allow you to add a second GTX 460 in the future if you wish as well, unlike the AMD boards.

CPU: i5 750: NCIX.com - Buy Intel Core i5 750 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.66GHZ 8MB Cache Retail Box - BX80605I5750 In Canada.
4 cores, which should be fine. If you want more threads, you could spend about $100 more and get the i7 860, but thats a steep price increase for the possible benefits.

Hopefully others will chime in, but this is what jumps out at me.
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Old August 27, 2010, 10:54 AM
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That board would no doubt be good but since you are going with a Nvidia graphics card you will want a board that supports sli just in case down the road you add a second card. I have found 3 boards at NCIX 2 around the $110 price point and 1 around $180 right now they have a $20 MIR for it.

ASUS M4N75TD http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=53567&vpn=M4N75TD&manufacture=ASUS

MSI NF750-G55 ttp://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=44783&vpn=NF750-G55&manufacture=MSI%2FMicroStar

MSI NF980-G65 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=49471&vpn=NF980-G65&manufacture=MSI%2FMicroStar
Hey John: the nVidia boards have terrible SSD support generally (lack of proper AHCI)...do you know if these boards pass along trim for proper SSD support in Windows 7?
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Guys.. When did he ever even mention CF or SLI?

Anyway, in three years going SLI with his current card will not be worth it compared to just replacing the card and going another three years.
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Hey John: the nVidia boards have terrible SSD support generally (lack of proper AHCI)...do you know if these boards pass along trim for proper SSD support in Windows 7?
No I do not.
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Old August 27, 2010, 11:15 AM
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Power supply I'm still unsure of. My friend recommended a 750W since I might crossfire at a later time. Do you guys think this PS would be sufficient for my needs?
PS - CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready
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Guys.. When did he ever even mention CF or SLI?

Anyway, in three years going SLI with his current card will not be worth it compared to just replacing the card and going another three years.
In his PSU comment.
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Whoops missed that. >_>

Anyway, as chris suggested, I also support a 6 core CPU if you go with AMD.
I still do not support the multiple card thing though and still think that you should just grab a good GFX card now and replace it 3-4 years later if it is then too slow to do what you want. It is nice and simple, no driver issues, no needing support for each game, etc. New cards in 3-4 years will most likely toast a 460 SLI setup too.(might be wrong about that but three or four years is a long time when talking about graphics hardware.)
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Whoops missed that. >_>

Anyway, as chris suggested, I also support a 6 core CPU if you go with AMD.
I still do not support the multiple card thing though and still think that you should just grab a good GFX card now and replace it 3-4 years later if it is then too slow to do what you want. It is nice and simple, no driver issues, no needing support for each game, etc. New cards in 3-4 years will most likely toast a 460 SLI setup too.(might be wrong about that but three or four years is a long time when talking about graphics hardware.)
Yep I agree. Single card setups are the way to go for yourself I think, unless you can get another 460 in the future for extremely cheap.
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