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Old June 13, 2010, 02:30 PM
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In low air flow environments the Coolit ECO and Corsair H50 will out perform air coolers. In a case with decent air flow any good air cooler (like the 212+) will meet or beat it. In a case with GOOD air flow...the H50/eco will lose to most air based cooling solutions (decent ones anyways). IF you run the 690 II with only one front and one back fan...its a toss up but the H50 would probably do better then air cooling. If you stick just one more fan in it (top fan for example) it would probably lose. Stick another one on the side panel and another one on the top and it will almost certainly be beaten by the 212+.


Intel (and AMD for that matter) desing their FREE cooler to be "good enough" at stock heat loads. While after market coolers are desinged to cool overclocked CPU's. You can get away with the stock cooler...but
for the 20 sum odd dollars that a 212+ costs, its a good investment as the fan will run slower then the OEM would have to run to keep temps lower and thus help keep the system's noise down. ;)
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Old June 13, 2010, 02:46 PM
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Thanks for all the help guys.

After looking at some air heatsinks for awhile, I am down to 2.

1. COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus (like everyone has suggested)
2. COOLER MASTER Hyper N520 - Newegg.ca - COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler

Prices are the about the same, but I am not sure which is better. Going on the specs given on Newegg, I can't tell whats better (specs inconsistent. 1 has overall, and the other has a max and min CFM).

Also I want to know about thermal paste. How do I know which one is better than the other? How much of a difference will it make if I choose one over the other? To make things simple, what is the best thermal paste to use?
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Thanks for all the help guys.

After looking at some air heatsinks for awhile, I am down to 2.

1. COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus (like everyone has suggested)
2. COOLER MASTER Hyper N520 - Newegg.ca - COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler

Prices are the about the same, but I am not sure which is better. Going on the specs given on Newegg, I can't tell whats better (specs inconsistent. 1 has overall, and the other has a max and min CFM).

Also I want to know about thermal paste. How do I know which one is better than the other? How much of a difference will it make if I choose one over the other? To make things simple, what is the best thermal paste to use?













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Old June 13, 2010, 04:47 PM
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Yeah the 212+ is a great sink. I was planning on buying it but instead i found a Zalman flex at 25 bucks locally so thats what i ended up getting instead
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Old June 13, 2010, 09:02 PM
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I see the 212+ is better than the other one now. Thanks for the graphs.

I do have another question though. Why are the 2009 charts so different from the 2010 charts for the 212+ (difference of about ~15 degrees).
And what is a max temp that a CPU can reach before it stops working, specifically the AMD 965BE? I want to know just in case I want to attempt OCing.

2009 - Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus CPU Cooler Review

2010 - http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/31924-prolimatech-armageddon-140mm-cpu-cooler-review-7.html


I know the test systems are a little bit different, but ~15 degrees is a huge difference.

**EDIT: I read through the articles a couple of times to see what fans they used, the charts above are both using the same fan, NF-P12 1300 RPM. What could seriously be making this much of a difference?

Whats a good brand name for HDD:

Is this a good HDD?
Newegg.ca - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

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I see the 212+ is better than the other one now. Thanks for the graphs.

I do have another question though. Why are the 2009 charts so different from the 2010 charts for the 212+ (difference of about ~15 degrees).
And what is a max temp that a CPU can reach before it stops working, specifically the AMD 965BE? I want to know just in case I want to attempt OCing.

I know the test systems are a little bit different, but ~15 degrees is a huge difference.

Whats a good brand name for HDD:

Is this a good HDD?
Newegg.ca - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
I am going to assume the difference is because they use different fans for those charts. And for a HDD Samsung spinpoint is good and same with a WD Caviar Black. Both around 60-70 CAD I believe.
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storage and such related, akg is the man to ask.

i think he said its a tossup between the black and the sammy.
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Old June 14, 2010, 08:23 PM
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Thanks for all the helps people! I really appreciate it.

Here is my very last question on my build. Is the Kingston HyperX RAM(Newegg.ca - Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C8D3K2/4GX) compatible with thie MOBO(Newegg.ca - GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard).

I guess I had two questions left. Is a decent gaming rig for the price (~$900)?

Case:
Newegg.ca - COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Mobo:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128441
CPU:
Newegg.ca - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
RAM:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104141
PSU:
Newegg.ca - CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
GPU:
XFX Nvidia 9500GT (From Old Rig)
HDD:
Newegg.ca - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
DVD:
Newegg.ca - Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - CD / DVD Burners
Heatsink:
Newegg.ca - COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler
Thermal Compound:
Newegg.ca - Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound

** Note: I am buying from a bunch of different sites, I am just using Newegg as a reference.

So what do you guys think of this build for ~$900? Is it worth it? Or can I get something better for that price?
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Old June 14, 2010, 08:45 PM
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Very decent build. I would, however, suggest upgrading your gpu too, it'll really make you a happier man :). The RAM is compatible, but it's overpriced terribly (I would think), get OCZ Gold series or G. Skill Ripjaws RAM, cheaper, very well performing (I've got overclocked OCZ Gold Series DDR3 2x2gb stock is @1600mhz, I overclocked some past 1800). I can 100% back up the Hyper 212+, I've got a Core i5 750 over clocked to 4ghz on that baby running stable (Stock @ 2.66ghz), even withstanding Intel burn test @ max stress. I think that's all, good luck building!
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Old June 14, 2010, 09:17 PM
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At that price for your cpu, get a 1050T for only 15$ more and thats 2 more cores extra. Also, why don't you just order from Ncix and price match everything? It should be cheaper and if you aren't in BC, you can even save on PST.
As for Ram, I don't know how much you would be paying for the Kingston but I'd recommend the cheaper G.Skill's
G.SKILL F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM Ripjaws 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL7-8-7-24 240PIN Dual Channel i5 Memory Kit - DirectCanada
Newegg.ca - G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO

Not sure about your PSU pricing either but if it's around the same cost, go for the more efficient, newer and modular version
NCIX.com - Buy Corsair Professional HX650W 650W ATX 12V 52A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan - CMPSU-650HX In Canada.
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