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Old June 3, 2010, 06:02 PM
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1. What YOUR PC will be used for.
Gaming (COD-MW and other FPS, racing), photo & video editing, video encoding, web design, VMWare testbed (web server, Vail home server testing, etc.), MS-Office duties.

2. What YOUR budget is.
$1000

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.
Canada / Quebec

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc, etc, etc, you get the picture.
For this build, prefer Intel/ATI/ASUS or Gigabyte or MSI or EVGA/G.Skill or Corsair/Seagate or WD

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.
Antec TruePower Trio 550w (brand new)
DELL 2209WA IPS + DELL 1907FP TFT dual setup
Keyboard, mouse, speakers
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.
Have been shopping for weeks on multiple forums and online stores, have built several PCs over the years.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.
Will overclock eventually but not my priority

8. WHEN do you plan to build it?
Will order parts within 1 week

9. What resolution do you use?
1680 x 1050 (primary monitor + gaming) & 1280 x 1024 (secondary monitor)

I've been considering the following components for a new build to replace an aging (!) P4-2.44HT+Radeon X850XTPE. Prices are from bestdirect.ca but will also compare with the usual NCIX/Newegg/others. I've dealt with NCIX with good results in the past.

Intel i5-750 $207.79
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $22.00
ASUS P7P55D Evo $167.99 - $15 MIR
G.Skill F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM CL7-8-7-24 $125.58
WD Caviar Black 640Gb $59.79
Samsung SH-S243D/BEBE $30.80
Gigabyte Radeon 5770 $167.56 - $10 MIR
Antec Three Hundred $53.88
nGear Flash Card Reader $10.56
Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Gamer 24bit $90.75

-- Totally unsure about the motherboard, I would like the option of 8x/8x Crossfire for future use, otherwise don't need fancy options, have always built using ASUS before...
-- DDR3 4Gb, also considering Corsair CL8, want reliable RAM at less than CL9 but no more than $125
-- 5770, can't reason myself to shell out $300+ for 5850, unless perhaps I cut the next item...
-- Creative X-Fi, it hurts to spend $90 on an audio card, how is onboard audio these days, still a CPU hog with less than stellar quality or is it good enough for casual gaming ? I will often be playing with headphones anyway.

Thanks in advance for your input, can't wait to upgrade !
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Old June 3, 2010, 06:26 PM
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5850/5870, you can do better(price wise for cpu and mobo like a duallie amd 150-170 combo)

and yes, its worth getting more gpu power since itll be mainly gaming. your antec will be fine. not a big fan of their cases, go nzxt or cm(my fav)
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Old June 4, 2010, 09:23 AM
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Gaming will be no more than 10-20% of the time (but it still has to be a great experience...)

I prefer to stick to an i5-750 on this build, seems to be a great overall performer with excellent benchmarks in stuff other than gaming, which I will do most. On the motherboard I could drop a little but my pick for a 5770 requires 8x/8x Crossfire option, unless of course I go...

5850 which you recommend, I'd have to cut the X-Fi and use on-board audio, I'm good with that if performance is adequate.

Any suggestions on a CM case under $60 ? I always worked with Antec and the 300 seems a good buy with dual 120-140mm fans.

Thanks for all your inputs.
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Old June 4, 2010, 11:33 AM
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-- Creative X-Fi, it hurts to spend $90 on an audio card, how is onboard audio these days, still a CPU hog with less than stellar quality or is it good enough for casual gaming ? I will often be playing with headphones anyway.

Thanks in advance for your input, can't wait to upgrade !
If you do go for an X-Fi card, make sure to research it thoroughly as there have been several notable issues with the X-Fi cards and Vista over the last couple years. For one, the X-Fi cards were initially having severe issues with systems that had 4Gb of memory (I was running 4Gb at the time, but now run 8Gb) and up. I don't know if they've fixed that yet and if they have, I don't know if it was fixed for specific models or if they fixed it at all. I also don't know if that issue translated to Windows 7. There were also issues with windows sounds being muted, DVD Mpeg 2 audio playback issues and issues relating to their openAl software on Vista and up. Again, they may have resolved these issue, I don't know, but it's worth confirming. As a result of these issues, I ended up cancelling my order for the X-Fi Gamer card I originally ordered and got the Asus Xonar D2 instead. I've had no issues out it in neither Vista nor Windows 7. It's always worked flawlessly with excellent audio quality. There are disadvantages to the D2 though. The main 2 things I don't like about the D2 are the lack of EAX support beyond EAX 2.0, but it does support EAX 2.0. And my only other gripe is the lack of pin headers for connecting front panel headphone and mic jacks. But I'm working on an alternative solution to that issue and if you want to know how I get on with it, PM me in a couple weeks for me to give it some proper testing. Other than those 2 complaints, I love this card and would definately buy an Asus sound card again. Just a little helpful advice.

Just so you have a good perspective... These issues with the X-Fi were prevalent when I was building mine about 2 years ago. At this time, Vista had been out well over a year and Creative still hadn't sorted out their issues. But they may have now. All I'm saying is to research it thoroughly before deciding because creative has a history of issues relating to their drivers and support.

Hope this helps

P.S. I agree with the guys above... I would easily recommend the 5850 over the 5770 anyday. If you don't want to spend that much, then to be honest, I would recommend last generations cards over the 5770. The HD4850 and HD4870 are both still excellent cards and both offer great performance, especially at their current price points. The only disadvantage you would see by going back one generation would be that the 4800 series are Directx 10.1 cards where the HD5800 series are Directx 11 cards. The performance on the other hand (while slightly slower) are not distinguishable enough to make any real difference to your gaming at this point. The HD 4800 series cards still have more than enough power to run most games on max settings. Added to this is there are very few to almost no games right now that take advantage of Directx 11.

Got price ranges from www.Newegg.ac

HD4850 Price Range = $101.49 - $146.49
HD4870 Price Range = $165.49 - $170.49
HD4890 Price = $202.49

These are all still excellent cards and worth considering. Food for thought.

UPDATE: I did some research for you and the HD5770 is comparable to the HD4870 in specs. While the HD4870 has the drawback of not being Directx 11 and having a slightly lower clock. The HD5770 has half the bus size of the HD4870.

HD5770 bus = 128bit
HD4870 bus = 256bit

The bus size is actually pretty important and does significantly impact performance.

In side by side comparison there are maybe one or 2 areas where the HD5770 has been faster, it's been by a very small amount. The HD4870's performance beats out the HD5770 in the majority of the tests, but it was still a pretty close race. I would recommend either the HD4870 or the HD4890 over the HD5770. When you're on a budget, it's always best to build on a "bang-for-buck" system (while maintaining the quality). In your case, you'll get a much better bang-for-buck by going with the HD4000 series cards.

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Old June 6, 2010, 08:52 AM
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Made a few changes following comments received here and more surfing to forums & reviews. I decided to upgrade the 5770 to a 5850 and drop support for 8x/8x Xfire as this would require a new PSU anyway, when the need shows up I will upgrade the entire system...

Intel i5-750 $207.79
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $22.00
ASUS P7P55D Evo $167.99 - $15 MIR --- NOW Gigabyte P55-USB3 $126
G.Skill F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM CL7-8-7-24 $125.58
WD Caviar Black 640Gb $59.79
Samsung SH-S243D/BEBE $30.80
Gigabyte Radeon 5770 $167.56 - $10 MIR --- NOW HIS 5850 H585FN1GD $320
Antec Three Hundred $53.88
nGear Flash Card Reader $10.56
Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Gamer 24bit $90.75 --- NOW dropped for on-board audio

Can't seem to find a reference 5850 with voltage adjustment at reasonable price or in stock, the HIS version seems very nice with capable overclocking, any other model I should look at ? Biostar has a reference model but no reviews, Sapphire 100282-3SR is nice also, Gigabyte GV-R585OC-1GD also...

Thanks again for your feedback.
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