New here, looking for insight.

[Soultribunal]

Originally Posted by Raserei408

I tend to hold performance in a higher regard than RMA service.

Thats you though Raserei, why don't you ask the OP what he prefers?

I can tell you right now I would not want to be down a Rig for 2 months while some company decided if they would replace my board or not.

ST

[Raserei408]

Originally Posted by Soultribunal

Thats you though Raserei, why don't you ask the OP what he prefers?

Well, if you look at the title of this thread it's "Looking for insight." I am offering my insight into what I think would be the best components. You're offering a different opinion, but you're not asking him what's most important to him either. Why don't we suggest possibilities and allow the OP to choose.

[Soultribunal]

Originally Posted by Raserei408

Well, if you look at the title of this thread it's "Looking for insight." I am offering my insight into what I think would be the best components. You're offering a different opinion, but you're not asking him what's most important to him either. Why don't we suggest possibilities and allow the OP to choose.

Touche.

It should be noted to for the OP's consideration that the Chip is more often than not the Limiting Factor for OC potential as opposed to the board. As I've seen in many cases with our Professional Overclockers. It is also the main reason why, for example D0 Stepping i7's are prefered to C0 stepping ones.

Regards,
ST

[MarkOne]

touché.... french word french accent maudit français ( beautiful language but quite hard to master)

[Raserei408]

ST,

In the very-high-end that may be true, but often enough in the mid-range boards they'll limit the OC.

Regardless, I stand by my recommendation of the MSI, but if he decides the ASUS is a better board for him, well, that's his decision.


Also, Mark, adding accents tends to be a bit difficult in Windows (one of the few things I like about Macs is they make that very easy) so I'm guessing he knew it was correct, he just couldn't be bothered to search for the character code or find one on the interwebs to copy and paste. God knows I can't be.

[Soultribunal]

Originally Posted by Raserei408

ST,

In the very-high-end that may be true, but often enough in the mid-range boards they'll limit the OC.

Regardless, I stand by my recommendation of the MSI, but if he decides the ASUS is a better board for him, well, that's his decision.


Also, Mark, adding accents tends to be a bit difficult in Windows (one of the few things I like about Macs is they make that very easy) so I'm guessing he knew it was correct, he just couldn't be bothered to search for the character code or find one on the interwebs to copy and paste. God knows I can't be.

We'll for this we will have to agree to disagree I know in your experiences they might have, but for what I have seen the Pros do that is hardly the case. After all a $90 Evo Board broke 4.1 on a AM3 X550 not bad considering.

Again, not to argue. Just making sure OP has all the Info he needs to the best of my knowledge and the Knowledge of the community.

ST

[SaskGoose]

Originally Posted by MarkOne

By the way Welcome to the board

Thanks, seems like a nice place to hang.

Originally Posted by Raserei408

Well, I would have suggested RAID 10, but I assumed 4 HDDs plus his storage ones was a bit much to ask for.

I was actually highly considering raid (was looking at 5) but since i found out WD pulled TLER out i have been reconsidering. There is no way i am paying for the RE's at this time.

Originally Posted by martin_metal_88

For OS and software you have 3 possibilities
1: SSD
2: 2X black edition in raid stripping
3: 1X black edition ( it give enough speed for much of us )

Right, i know this. The Smaller drive was for the OS and later when i add SSDs the smaller drive will become the Apps/games drive.

Originally Posted by Raserei408

You can, in fact, run an Nvidia card for dedicated PhysX with an ATI card running graphics, it just requires using hacked drivers (or old drivers). It's not "legit," but it works, and it works very well.

I was wondering if the 9800GT or 240 would be better but i like the idea of no 6 pin.

Originally Posted by MarkOne

Visit the Storage section of the forum , you have guy especially helpfull there to ask question about storage and your PC is using a lot of them, enough to justify a tread just on that. The main problem I see with your PC, is your choice of hard drives, give a try to my idea of the storage section.

Will check it out. I realize i have not put as much thought in to hard drives (i still need to look indepth at those new simulated 4k sector WDs) as other areas of the system, will try to alleviate that.

Originally Posted by MarkOne

My main concern about raid 1, start when someone think his safe with it.

I understand the need for back-ups and off site redundancy. I have a external 1TB that i plan to use for backups of the important stuff.

Originally Posted by MarkOne

(it's to the OP to correct me if I'm wrong here)

Huge Multi-Display power, principally not used for gaming
Fast access time storage. Extra temporary storage with plan to use some king of server later ???? don't really know what he is planningThe OP will add SSD drives later

My sugestions :
If it was a principally a gaming rig ...but it's not the main use of the rig. I think he is better to loose a little bit on the FPS and go with ATI base on those facts . I will suggest if one came here to talk about xfire with eyevision to visit the GPU section, we have member experienced with it. the op plan to play with his 3 LCD

Processing power: need x16 x16 x8 minimum with your need of GPU. the actual platform that jump to my eyes is the 1366 one, you have your GPU lanes , CPU power too, sexa- core on the way, about march , 6 gb of memory will be enough to start with.

The storage:
You don't need raid 0 with SSD with SSD you have to trim or use other device to clean the drive, or it will lost quite a huge performance. The trim function is not at best with many drive in raid 0
Don't add SSD latter cloning from HD to SSD, not the thing to do with SSD, due to the controller it uses
Buy a 80 or 120 gb SSD , put your OS in it, and the most important application
Use a Black WD for the programs , forget the raid 0 even for the game, my reason is that I'm not pretty sure that SSD mix well with raid 0 on the same onboard controller.
I will see later where you place few HD for temporary main storage

The case: unless you are the kind of crazy folder to put your thing strait on the bar or your washing machine or some kind of wood crate you need a case. well they know who they are
All case around $ 100 and more do the job, some do it betterOk enoght I have to work sometime time too

other members suggestion and correction : keep focus on the need of the OP


( I work real hard on this post , 1 hour and not for the $$$.$$. )

First let me thank you for all the hard work, all input gets me closer to a decision.

Principle use will be Multi use machine for the house hold, gaming is included under that umbrella.

My sugestions:I do plan to plan with the 3 monitors and i plan on using 22' eIPS dells. These slightly small screens will keep the load on the video down quite a bit, as well as the price. I have a welder/machinist making me a stand for them.

Processing power: I understand if i go to xfire i want 16x16x8 as to have 5870x5870x9800 but i am not yet sure i need to.
I suppose it is unknown if a 6 port can xfire with a 3 port. I know nothing about Intel as you know nothing about AMD, i like AMD prices.

The storage:I was not aware SSD has issues with raid. I have no issue reinstalling later on.
If was considering 60-64GB if in raid for a total of 120-128GB...with out raid i would go minimum 80GB.
The storage Drives are considered tentatively temporary for a while. Looking at a server for my home something 10-20TB + redundancy, but it is a ways off right now.

The Case: some kind of wood crate


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OK, i need a break. Will continue reading but will not post again till tomorrow night.

Again, thanks to everyone involved. I am flabbergasted at the response, very very welcoming.

[MarkOne]

Originally Posted by SaskGoose

The storage:I was not aware SSD has issues with raid. I.

" I'm not pretty sure that SSD mix well with raid 0 on the same onboard controller. "

I don't know,

This is a question that we should ask to our Own SSD expert AkG , what make me say that is because , you have to setup the Intel raid bios and add the disk to build a raid. that is the part I can see a problem, if their is a problem. AkG can answer on it I'm quite sure. Last time I setup a raid 0 it was with 4 raptors, my 2 black was on the other controller. I just don't like mix raid disk with non raid disk on the same controller.

I must have get this habit from the fact than on server we put the raid 5 on his own controller.

will never know the answer from my experience, my gaming HD partition will be also on SSD. when you taste them you need a god reason to switch back to raid

[Soultribunal]

If you're looking for PhysX power, go EVGA 240SC. Great little card.

ST

[MarkOne]

ST do they make a model that exhaust outside the case. ( can be interesting for the OP too ) the only thing I can find for my physx is a 250 dual slot with that kind of housing