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Old December 5, 2009, 01:09 PM
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Christmas is coming up and since the current computer that I'm currently using is getting a little old (socket 423 dell dimension 8100 thats been going for about 9 years) I need to get a computer that will last me the next 1 maybe 2 years.
1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.
Very basic; internet, word documents, games that are around 4 years old or older.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread
Since this is a Christmas gift from someone else and it only needs to last 1 or 2 years the budget is firm at $230 for the computer (with taxes and shipping) but without software, monitor, and other peripherals.

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.
Canada, I'd like to have all the parts available at retail and online stores because I won't be the one buying them.

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc, etc, etc, you get the picture.
Need intel, and nvidia because i want to run OSX.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.
Haha no.

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.
I've searched around for a while, but there's not many systems around this small of a budget.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.
Yes, I'll probably overclock a little bit (and fold).

8. WHEN do you plan to build it?
Getting the parts within about a week.

I realize that the budget is super small but I'll be running XP (might try 7) and OSX most of the time so the hardware doesn't need to be very beastly. After searching around for many hours I came up with these three possible builds:
(I know I don't have an optical drive in any of them but I won't need one)

Build #1
Newegg.ca - Recertified: BIOSTAR 945GZ Micro 775 SE LGA 775 Intel 945GZ Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - not the best motherboard but the gma950 is one of the only integrated graphics that properly runs on OSX (the nvidia geforce 9300 and 9400 is another).

Newegg.ca - Intel Celeron 430 Conroe-L 1.8GHz 512KB L2 Cache LGA 775 35W Single-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops - the cheapest lga775 processor, should be better than an atom.

Newegg.ca - Kingston 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) System Specific Memory for HP/Compaq Model KTH-XW4300/1G - System Specific Memory - the cheapest 1gb of ram I could find, will probably upgrade to 2gb if I find a good deal.

Newegg.ca - Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3250318AS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - cheapest hard drive.

Buy Apex Computer Technology [DM-317] Apex DM-317 mATX HTPC Case Silver Black 1X5.25 1X3.5 1X3.5INT 275W Low Profile Front Firewire - one of the cheapest cases which should have a half decent psu.

= with taxes and shipping this build comes to about $233 but there is no TV out which I would like so I'd save up for a graphics card and try and get one on sale in the next few months.

Build #2
Newegg.ca - Foxconn G31MV-K LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Intel Motherboards - because there's a graphics card in this build that works with OSX the integrated graphics doesn't matter.

Newegg.ca - SPARKLE SFPX84GS256U2LF GeForce 8400 GS 256MB 64-bit DDR2 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards - cheapest graphics card I could find.

Newegg.ca - Intel Celeron 430 Conroe-L 1.8GHz 512KB L2 Cache LGA 775 35W Single-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops - the cheapest lga775 processor, should be better than an atom.

Newegg.ca - Kingston 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) System Specific Memory for HP/Compaq Model KTH-XW4300/1G - System Specific Memory - the cheapest 1gb of ram I could find, will probably upgrade to 2gb if I find a good deal.

Newegg.ca - Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3250318AS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - cheapest hard drive.

Buy Apex Computer Technology [DM-317] Apex DM-317 mATX HTPC Case Silver Black 1X5.25 1X3.5 1X3.5INT 275W Low Profile Front Firewire - one of the cheapest cases which should have a half decent psu.

= with taxes and shipping this build is around $255, if anyone has any ideas on how to save $20 please share.

Build #3
MITX MBD DC ATOM 330 DDR2 SATA AUD GETH - BOXD945GCLF2 BOXD945GCLF2 - atom 330 board (which I would buy from NCIX)

PC Cyber Canada - For All Your Computer Needs - cheapest 2gb stick of ram (might go out of stock)

PC Cyber Canada - For All Your Computer Needs - cheap mitx case with a decent psu

Newegg.ca - Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3250318AS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - cheapest hard drive (which I would buy from NCIX).

= with taxes and shipping this build is around $225 and it has a TV out but the mobo allows almost no upgradeability and I don't think it will be as fast as the other two builds.

I'd really like to go with the second build but it's just a tad too expensive. Maybe there's a cheaper case i could look at? Thanks in advance
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Old December 5, 2009, 04:07 PM
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I'm really not liking the biostar motherboard so I'll probably go with the second build with a 430 or pentium e3200 and try to get a deal on a graphics card on boxing day. Still, if there's any way I could save a few $ please do share.
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Old December 5, 2009, 05:10 PM
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if it was me i a would consider this NCIX.com - Buy AMD Sempron 140 Processor 2.7GHZ Socket AM3 1MB L2 Cache 45W Retail Box - SDX140HBGQBOX In Canada.
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I think I would go Atom, possibly with ION.... however remember that OSX has had some weird things to do with disabling atom as of recently in new patches, not sure what that's about.

EDIT: And also, any possibility of buying used?
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Gigabyte G31
Logisys case w/..meh power supply
E5200 and that 2Gb of RAM
Price match everything with NCIX and you should be good to go.
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Old December 5, 2009, 07:32 PM
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Gigabyte G31
Logisys case w/..meh power supply
E5200 and that 2Gb of RAM
Price match everything with NCIX and you should be good to go.
I personally would stay the hell away from the Logisys PSU, even for super budget rigs. Those things are like old landmines, you don't know when they'll go off.
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Old December 5, 2009, 07:48 PM
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
Sushi Warrior: The fix for the atoms came out a day or two after the support for them was lost so that's not a problem. I looked at the ions but they're quite expensive for some weird reason. Someone else is buying the parts for me so I'd like to keep it to just new parts but the way it looks right now I'll probably be buying a graphics card with my own money so if anyone has a cheap nvidia graphics card I would consider that.
To CroSsFiRe200 and Infiniti: I'll pretty much definetly be getting that e5200. Are apex psu and cases any better? Also ncix has none of the 2gb ram sticks that I posted before so would this "Dell" ram work? Kingston 2gb Ddr2-667 Module:Amazon:Electronics
thanks again!
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Old December 5, 2009, 09:12 PM
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Look around to see if anybody has an 8800GS or a 9600gso. They were around $45 retail in the summer.
@infiniti - I wouldn't trust any of those cheap PSU's to be honest. They're practically empty inside. Even a stealthxstream from ocz is around 5x better imo.

Not sure about the RAM but i can't see any reason why 'Dell' Ram wouldn't work in a normal computer since its Kingston.
I should also mention that the Gigabyte G31 board is one of the best G31 boards out there, good OC'er and comes with solid caps
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If you intend to do that little on your computer for 1 or 2 years, i would recommand you to buy this;

MSI Wind PC Intel 945GC 1 x 200Pin Intel GMA 950 Black Barebone - Retail = 150$

More Info : msi.com

You will be very happy and its pretty cheap!
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Old December 6, 2009, 08:48 AM
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CroSsFiRe2009: To get the gigabyte board I would have to go down to 1gb ram, is it worth it? and I wish I could get a better psu, but the computer only really needs to last two years and my budget just won't allow a better one...
slay3r: I looked at the msi wind... but its a single core atom and a little overprice imo.

Which one of these two motherboard do you guys think is the better one:
Newegg.ca - Foxconn G31MV-K LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Intel Motherboards - free shipping from newegg

ASRock G965M-S mATX LGA775 G965 DDR2 PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI SATA Video Audio LAN Motherboard - DirectCanada - g965 chipset any good?, also it allows up to 8gb ram
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