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Old November 13, 2009, 11:46 PM
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Brainstorming final build =D

Current components;

Sure parts:
Cpu 340$:
Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.66GHZ Bloomfield 8MB LGA1366 -SLBEJ-
Motherboard 185$:
Gigabyte EX58-UD3R ATX LGA1366 X58 DDR3 2PCI-E 2PCI SATA2 RAID Sound GLAN CrossFireX *IR-$13*
Ram 167$:
Corsair XMS3 TR3X6G1600C9 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600 CL 9-9-9-24 Core i7 Memory Kit
Psu 93$:
Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan
Thermal Paste 15$:
Arctic Cooling MX-3 Thermal Compound Paste NON-ELECTRICAL Conductive 4 Gram


Unsure parts:

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Case 125-162$
Lancool PC-K62 Black ATX Advanced Mid Tower Case 5X5.25 4X3.5INT No PS USB Audio
Coolermaster Storm Sniper Black Edition Mid Tower ATX Case Black 5X5.25 5X3.5INT 1X2.5 No PSU
still have to read more reviews on theses ;)
Gpu 219-276$
EVGA E-GEFORCE GTX 260 Core 216 SC 55NM 626MHZ 896MB 2.1GHZ DDR3 PCI-E 2XDVI-I HDTV Out Video Card
EVGA GeForce GTX 275 Superclocked 648MHZ 896MB 2.376GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card
Most Ati Hd 5xxx are out of stock! Maybe i should stick to my 9600GSO till it get back in stock or wait nvida new cards

After market Cooling 31$:
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA775 LGA1156 120MM
Out of stock! Any alternative?

Monitor 16:10:
Waiting to see them in person!

Pricematch maybe?

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My old P5LD2 rev1.x Pentium4 640 Prescott 4Gb DDR2 533 getting really old. At first, i thought i could upgrade some part but since my motherboard is rev1 i can't do core 2 duo. I bought an Asus GF 9600 GSO for arround 40bucks hoping this could help but i guess the gpu isn't getting full potencial from the pci express 1.0 and maybe the cpu is probably bottlenecking it.

I want to buy the new computers parts before/right after christmas. I've been waiting for quite a while for price drop and great deal, specially with christmas coming, i guess there will be even more specials! My budget is arround ~1700$CAD, just like what i paid for my old system couples years ago! I am aware that new technologies never stop, but with all the review from the core i7, i hope this computer last for a while, maybe longer than my old one. Intel released core i5, and they will soon release core i3 and i9. So my best bet is going for core i7 since the i9 will probably be an extreme edition unaffordable! I just hope that they wont release usb 3.0, sata 3.0, pci express 3.0 right after i buy my rig :/

I am using computer for multi-tasking, unzipping many files, viewing videos. I play games when i have time, but when i do, i like to have good quality (not too much). I play mostly mmorpg but i like to go fps once in a while.

I am from Canada, so i will be buying from ncix.com, newegg.ca, directcanada.com, tigerdirect.ca. I've never used the pricematch at ncix that all of you are using but will probably do with some hints if i can save a bit. There is another e-store that i just discovered and its called pccyber.com which have really competive prices but i am not sure about their reputation. What do you think about it?

I always used Asus brand for motherboard and always been really pleased. As for video card, i used a geforce 4 then ati x800 pro and now 9600gso and i prefered nvidia for quick drivers updates. Now i cant say i am Asus-fanboy nor Nvidia-fanboy, cause i may consider other products brands. I dont want to use an amd processor thought. The EVGA motherboards seem very competitive and i must say that i love the Ati Eyefinity feature. Alas, i doubt i will buy the high end ati card just for this feature before we know what nvdia gonna officially release.

I hope to be able to overclock a little. This isn't the subjet i've read the most and i've always been scared about it. (My P4 640 Presscott is hot as hell without overclocking it) Since everyone is doing it right now with the core i7, specially the 920, i may consider doing so. I just hope it wont reduce the life-span of the cpu by too much. I will put my efforts on building the system for now ;)


Since i am not exactly sure what to get, i cant decide on a bundle deal which could save me some money. This is what i considered;

CPU: ~280-320$
Core i7-920
I've read all the i7-920 now are D0 stepping even if its not say, but some e-store still say it. So I am not sure where to buy it to have the D0 everyone loving!

GPU: ~180-220$
EVGA Geforce GTX260
Now i dont know what Geforce brand to chose, i've heared EVGA has nice customer support. I will prolly get the one that is the most silent and consume less watt.Too bad, Nvidia hasn't answered back at Ati newest card. I wish i could have directx 11 for future proof but theses games wont be release that much soon. At that time, i will prolly buy another gpu. Eyefinty could be good too, but i dont know if i would like the bezel between screen. I will probably never run Sli/Crossfire, maybe if cards get hella cheap.

Motherboard:~250-350$
ASUS Rampage II Extreme (a bit pricey (its ok) but friendly overclocking, famous community help and longer support?)
ASUS Rampage II Extreme Gene (I like the price/feature even thought its a matx)
ASUS P6T X58 (Some people had ram issues)
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2
(Same ram problem with this board but still a good one)
ASUS P6TD Deluxe (this new updated Mb seem really good, thought its backordered in most e-store)
ASUS P6T6 WS Revolution (Nice look! but not for desktop right?)
EVGA E758-A1 (Some problem with aftermarket cooling, not enough room)
As you can see,i really dont have a clear idea on which one to get.I am debating between Asus and Evga in this category. I haven't read much review on this evga board. The new Evga classifield one was like the best one i reviewed, but its out of budget. I underlined the motherboard that i think will best suit me but the P6TD is newer...so I am lost ;)

Ram: 150-220$
CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Model TR3X6G1333C9
This is the Ram i added with special discount on motherboard. I think this is ok ram.

PSU: 100-150$
Corsair TX750W

I think 750W will be more than enough for future proof. I usually have 1 gpu, plus 5 hard drives and the burner. Are today psu quieter than my old thermaltake 420w ?
Hard Drive: 80$
Western Digital 1TB WD1001FALS Caviar Black
Already bought when it was on sale =D

Case: 100-150$
Cooler Master Haf 932 (Maybe a bit too big for my liking but lots of room for hard drives and upgrades)
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 (I dont wanna wash air filter all day)
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel (too small? I dont like the air filter near hard drive)
Antec Nine Hundred Two (Good air flow but hard to add disk drive)
COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 (Nice look, but i dont like bottom usb)
COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper SGC-6000-KXN1-GP Black Steel (Good look, nice screwless feature)
Once again, this is another hard choice, i cant decide what to get. I've read some review on cases and there are the ones i like the most. However, i dont want a dusk sucker that will need too much cleaning. Any alternative for air filter? I have an old Thermaltake SViking case but i dont think there will be enough air flow for today hardware. I always set my case fans as low as i can, cause i dont like the noise. The one i underlined is the one i think i would get. What do you think?

Screen 16:10: 250-325$
ASUS VW266H Black 25.5" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor (bit pricey, 25.5? not standard?)
Samsung Syncmaster T240HD 24IN Widescreen Lcd Monitor 1920X1200 5MS
I-Inc IS-220DPB 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 5ms, 1680x1050
Samsung 2233BW 22" WIdescreen LCD Monitor - 5ms, 1680x1050
I am sure i want 16:10 monitor, however i dont know which resolutions. Im currently using an Asus VH196T, 19'' 1440x900. I may not buy this online, since i prefer viewing them in person before throwing that much money on monitor. Any other good 1920x1200 monitor?
Thermal Paste: 10-20$
Arctic Cooling MX-3 Thermal Compound Paste NON-ELECTRICAL Conductive 4 Gram
I think this could do it?

After Market Cooling: 50-80$
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro REV.2 CPU Heatsink Cooler W/ 92MM Fan
ZALMAN CNPS9700 LED 110mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler
(a bit pricey, worth it?)
ZALMAN 9500A 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler
ZALMAN CNPS8700 2 Ball CPU Cooler - Retail (So many Zalman can't choose)
ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 (Really good review, silent, nice look)
I want the cooling to be as quiet as possible. I like the Nirvana very much!

Grand Total: (~1450$+~1975$)/2=~1700$
I dont mind about tax and shipping. I need to choose carefully and keep an eye on awesome deal that could cut price a bit. I could say the monitor is less necessary cause a 19'' could do for a while. Maybe i wont buy the aftermarket cooler at the same time.
This is the longest post i ever posted in a forum! Thanks you guys for reading me! I didn't put specific price for each part cause the prices are moving too fast from day to day. I am quit confident that price will drop even more for christmas but i must be alert to buy as soon as possible before it get backorder ;)

On a side note, when this system is build, i think my old computer will retire as a HTPC, but this is gonna be another post!

Thanks you in advance for all you comments. I am open to all suggestion!

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Old November 13, 2009, 11:51 PM
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GPU: XFX also has solid support as well.
After Market Cooling: A few options here ... CM Hyper 212 Plus is very good, and probably boast really good results: See results here on HWC. The kicker ? It's out of your price range at only $30 lol.
Thermal Paste: IC7 get's some good results as well.
Case: other case options: Lancool Dragonlord K-62 , also a review on here, another excellent case with Lian Li Quality.
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Old November 14, 2009, 04:40 AM
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The only thing i would change would be the heat sink . imho. i would just buy a xigmatek best bang for buck
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Old November 14, 2009, 07:20 AM
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If you only intend to do a "little" overclocking, then the boards shown are overkill. This is a good starter board, cheap, that will allow you oc'ing too: NCIX.com - Buy Gigabyte EX58-UD3R ATX LGA1366 X58 DDR3 2PCI-E 2PCI SATA2 RAID Sound GLAN CrossFireX Motherboard - GA-EX58-UD3R In Canada.

Coolermaster Hyper212+. definitely.

Ram, HDD are fine. The Lancool case is very nice, and I'd rather clean the fan filters than having dead HDDs because of the dust.

No SLI / Crossfire? Then choose a GTX275, or a HD5850. The GTX260 is fine too, but I'd go for something a little more powerful.

Monitor: T240, hands-down. But your mindset is correct: go see them out in person.
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Old November 14, 2009, 10:25 AM
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I will check for XFX gpu as well.The GTX275 is a bit pricey for now, same goes for HD5850. I am considering buying the GTX260 now and probably upgrade later if GTX300 worth it. If i knew it wouldn't take too much time before nvidia release their new generation, i would stick to my GF9600GSO ;)

You guys are right about the CM hyper 212 plus good performance/$ ratio, but its backordered everywhere... As for Xigmateck, the Dark knight has a really nice look but in most reviews it says it lack the ability to keep the i7-920 cool when overclocking. Anything else that could make it?

I will be considering the IC7 as thermal past when i will go shopping!

The Lancool Dragonlord K-62 is a really nice case, seem easy to clean and it has good reviews but what about noise level? There is no fan controller i think...

The motherboard, i am really not sure for now. I've read review on the Gigabyte UD5 but nothing on the UD3R. I would like to have the ability to do either sli or crossX since i dont know which card i will get later.

As for monitor, i will go check the T240 in person and see how is it !

Thanks you very much everyone for your suggestions!


Note: Would it be a good idea to consider open box deal? I could save some serious cash there but i am just not sure how well the component will be. Anyone experienced it?

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well with most of thoses board you will be plugging the fans into the board. but the noise even on 100% all fans is not bad at all
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If you only intend to do a "little" overclocking, then the boards shown are overkill. This is a good starter board, cheap, that will allow you oc'ing too: NCIX.com - Buy Gigabyte EX58-UD3R ATX LGA1366 X58 DDR3 2PCI-E 2PCI SATA2 RAID Sound GLAN CrossFireX Motherboard - GA-EX58-UD3R In Canada.

Coolermaster Hyper212+. definitely.

Ram, HDD are fine. The Lancool case is very nice, and I'd rather clean the fan filters than having dead HDDs because of the dust.

No SLI / Crossfire? Then choose a GTX275, or a HD5850. The GTX260 is fine too, but I'd go for something a little more powerful.

Monitor: T240, hands-down. But your mindset is correct: go see them out in person.
Now, I don't really know what I am doing when I am overclocking, but I was only really able to get up to ~2.9/3.1 Ghz on my core i7 with that board (EX58-UD3R). RAM is limited to 4 slots, so you are looking at 6 gigs if you want to run in triple-channel mode. However, it's not very terrible: I don't have proper benchmarking software so I just use the Windows Experience Index, but my CPU is at 7.5 and my memory is at 7.9.

I also have a discrete sound card for DTS encoding and a wireless NIC card, which basically excludes my options for Crossfire/SLI with dual slot video cards. This might be due to the layout of the particular motherboard, or it might just be the consequence of wanting to use expansion cards.
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Pardon my noobiness but i didnt know that the case fans are connected to motherboard.
Does this mean that you can control them in the bios or even in windows?

Thats good to know about the EX58-UD3R, so do you think it worth to buy a better motherboard?
I would like my core i7-920 to at least overclock to 3.2ghz like my old rig but now with 8 threads and stay cooler =P
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Pardon my noobiness but i didnt know that the case fans are connected to motherboard.
Does this mean that you can control them in the bios or even in windows?
Depends on the fans, connectors and motherboard regarding control. There is software like "Speedfan" that allows you to view temperatures and fan speeds from within Windows. Depending on your hardware, you can control fan speeds with a program like that. My case has a manual 3 way switch for my fans, although the CPU is connected to the motherboard and can be controlled within the BIOS. Check your manuals, I guess.

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Thats good to know about the EX58-UD3R, so do you think it worth to buy a better motherboard?
I would like my core i7-920 to at least overclock to 3.2ghz like my old rig but now with 8 threads and stay cooler =P
Like I said, I did my overclocking without any previous experience. If I knew about voltage tweaks and more about the technology, I am sure overclocking to 3.2Ghz (especially if Turbo is enabled) can be done with that board. ...You know, from reading your post, I would say there isn't anything wrong with that board and your needs. And 3.0charlie probably knows better than I would anyway.

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If you only intend to do a "little" overclocking, then the boards shown are overkill. This is a good starter board, cheap, that will allow you oc'ing too: NCIX.com - Buy Gigabyte EX58-UD3R ATX LGA1366 X58 DDR3 2PCI-E 2PCI SATA2 RAID Sound GLAN CrossFireX Motherboard - GA-EX58-UD3R In Canada.

No SLI / Crossfire? Then choose a GTX275, or a HD5850. The GTX260 is fine too, but I'd go for something a little more powerful.
After looking at all of this, this is practically what I'm running. The i7 920, 6 GB of RAM, the MoBo and the HD5850 (if you could ever find it in stock). I'm really happy with it all. So yea, I would agree with 3.0charlie, I'd say go for the EX58-UD3R.
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I managed a 4.2 oc on a UD3R. 3.2 should be done simply raising the blck.

Fans? I don't use controllers anymore. I use the proper fans set at the correct speed - those fans are great: NCIX.com - Buy Yate Loon D12SL-12 120MM RED/BLACK Fan 1350RPM 47CFM 28DB 3/4PIN Sleeve Bearing OEM Sleeved Retail - D12SL-12-RED/BLACK In Canada..
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