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Old October 28, 2009, 10:50 AM
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Default NCIX or Dell Alienware or Toronto Shop???

New to this forum so go easy on me... I might be posting in the wrong area.

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1. I am looking to buy or have built for me a new gamer system (also support tv tuner+multi-monitor,movie/picture editing ... which a gamer system should be able to handle easy anyways.)

2. Budget is $1500

3. I live in Toronto

Questions:

1. My Son loves the Dell Alienware rigs ... Alienware Aurora ($1400). Are these just expensive rigs that are hyped or are they worth the hassle free, pre-built, ship to your door for free status?

2. What NCIX system would be similar to the Alienware Aurora? Vesta i5 Z6500 SLI? Is NCIX a good place to get pre-built computers?

3. Is there a place simlar in Toronto to NCIX? I am worried about shipping a computer from Vancouver to Toronto (heatsinks ripping off ... etc.).


Thanks and appreciate any feedback ...
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Old October 28, 2009, 11:02 AM
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At this price the dell have only a GTS 240 and a 16 mb HD , if you don't purchase their waranty, you have only 1 year, don t even try to RMA their drive to the manufacturer.
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Old October 28, 2009, 01:06 PM
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Personally I'd pick parts you like then have NCIX put them together for you. You will probably get a much better deal then goes with a prebuilt Alienware. I'm going to assume your son doesn't plan to overclock judging from the fact you are setting this up for him.

I'll put ncix's price first with the pricematchable price in brackets hyperlinked if it is better then ncix.

Processor:
Intel Core i5 750 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.66GHZ 8MB Cache Retail Box
Price: $234.99 ($218.85)
This is the sweet spot for price/performance right now. This should handles todays games/apps without causing a noticable bottleneck.

Motherboard:
MSI P55-GD80 ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 3PCI-E16 CrossFire SLI 2PCI-E1 2PCI eSATA SATA GBLAN Motherboard
Price: $202.34 (Until Oct 31st)
I don't know my 1566 motherboards so I'd get a second opinions, I believe (according to linus (ncix guy) ) that this has LOTES socket which is prefered over the Foxconn sockets which have had some contact issues between the socket and CPU. Overall I believe it's a quality board.

Ram:
G.SKILL F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH Ripjaws PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL7-7-7-24 Core I5 Memory Kit
Price: $124.99 ($113.56)
Again, I'm not to familiar with DDR3 ram, but G.Skill has a good reputation with ram and I believe these have received good reviews. You'll probably want a second opinion on these too.

Power Supply:
Corsair TX650W 650W ATX 12V 52A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan
Price: $129.99 ($103.86) Also has $11 MIR on top of that until Nov. 2
For a single graphics card setup this should be plenty. There are many good power supply makers out there, Corsair, Antec, PC Power & Cooling, etx. so basically pick one to suit your budget and power needs. The power supply is one of the most important components since if it fails your bound to loose other hardware as well.

Graphics Card:
XFX Radeon HD 4890 HD489XZSFC 1GB 850MHZ 1GB 3.9GHZ GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI HDTV Video Card
Price: $219.99 ($207.99)
For most titles this should be fine. XFX is a good company with a good warranty and the 4890 is a good card. It is faster then the GTX 260 which you would get in the Alienware computer. Alternatively, you could pay more and get a 5850/5870, but those have spotty availability right now so they could be hard to get a hold of. They will run you ~$300/~$440 respectively.

HDD:
Western Digital WD1001FALS Caviar Black 1TB SATA2 7200RPM 4.2MS 32MB 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM
Price: $129.97 ($98.28)
Great HDD, good size, not much else to say here, the standard HDD (I'd say) for most new builds.

DVD-Rom:
LG GH22NP20 Black DVD+RW 22X8X16 DVD-RW 22X6X16 DL 16X/12X 2MB IDE OEM
Price: $36.12
Not much to say here either, your standard DVD-Rom. There mostly all the same I'd say.

Monitor:
Acer X223WBD Black 22IN Widescreen LCD Monitor 1680X1050 2500:1 5ms VGA DVI HDCP
Price: $189.99 ($169.62)
A good 22" monitor, not much else to say.

Case:
Cooler Master Haf 932 Full Tower Black EATX Case 6X5.25 1X3.5 5X3.5INT No PSU USB eSATA 1394 Audio
Price: $168.92 ($149.99)
Since aesthetics is important here to your son, I'd go onto NCIX and goto the case section and look around at what there is. I recommend the HAF as it is viewed as a good case with good cooling at a good price. When picking a case just make sure all your components will fit. Being that the HAF 932 is a full tower you should have plenty of room inside.

Pre-build Option:
PC Assembly and Testing with 1 Year Limited NCIX System Warranty (PRE-CONFIG WIN. OS If Purchased)
Price: $50.00


With using the pricematched prices and including it having build for you it would be $1350.61 (1300.61 without prebuilt option) before taxes and shipping. Which should put the total at ~$1500. This is a rough outline of what you could get for the same price and I believe that this would be superior to the Alienware. It also comes with a 22" monitor.

For the components I suggested try to get a second opinion since I am not completely familiar with i5/i7 setups. I believe they should be overall good choices but you might be able to get better deals on similar performance parts.

- Fox

Edit: Arg, I've forgotten an operating system, well, you can pick up windows 7 for $125.92 and if you consider you have a monitor as well, without the monitor it'll still be under $1400.
Alternatively, you can go for the combo:
NCIX Cpx Bundle Deal Antec CP-850 Power Supply & Antec P183 Silent Computer Case -UNASSEMBLED
Price: $249.99 which you can get windows 7 with it for $89.99 until Oct. 30th

With Windows 7 and the first build your total will be $1476.53 before tax/shipping.

With the above case/ps your total will be $1436.74 before tax/shipping (hmm.. thought it would be a bigger difference).

You can probably cut money in places such as the case, motherboard, smaller HDD (i.e 640GB) to put you back in the $1400 total range if it's necessary.

Second Edit: If you went with something like this for the case:
Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS Top USB2.0 1394 Audio
Price: $123.39 ($103.89)
It also comes w/ Windows 7 for $89.99

It'd put your rig at $1394.50 before taxes/shipping.

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Old October 28, 2009, 01:22 PM
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Buddy got a couple of machines from these guys:

LU Computers

Prices were decent (close to NCIX last time I looked) & I believe they're in Toronto too.
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Old October 28, 2009, 01:51 PM
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Canada Computers is all over Toronto and the GTA. If you buy all the components from them, it's $30 for them to assemble it. +$20 if you want 1yr warranty (do remember, each part has it's own manufacturers warranty, but you'll have to deal with that yourself should something fail) + $20 if you want them to install Windows.
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Didn't want to quote a long post, but Fox is right.. I second NCIX, you could honestly save a lot of money and get a system which will can be upgraded. Buying from Alienware, most of these fancy companies tend to be more pricier and try rip people off (especially those who know nothing about computers and just want to buy the best.. or so called best)..

Also, assembling PCs has become a lot easier over the past few years, honestly if you do it slowly and safely, you could save the cost and get it all installed yourself.. They are a million text and video guides on the net, just use google..

As for the parts, Fox is spot on, just add a good SSD on that, it helps load games/windows slightly faster, I also believe you will benefit alot if you do video editing too, that is if you use stuff like DVD Rebuilder, CCE.. Xvid conversion.. and you do it the manual way.. my dual core got a good hit, and the 250gb SATA drive.. I pulled my hair every so often..

But yeah, look at getting a system built for you, than buying one from Voodoo/HP/Alienware..
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One more brick & mortar choice in the GTA: ETC Computers
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Third vote for a NCIX build it yourself option. You can just get a better system for the same price than anything pre-built. NCIX price matches so you can get the best price on everything and there is no need to worry about shipping at all.
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NCIX is great. Got most of my components from them, pricematched. I find CanadaComputers a bit overpriced at times but it depends on the product.
Another place I frequent is Infonec Computers - Computer parts Canada, PC Components, laptop computers, motherboards, processors, CPUs and much more if I'm shopping in a brick & mortar store in the GTA. And all their items can be pricematch as well via a link.

ps got my D0 chip from Infonec and they let me check the batch# on it. Didn't feel like paying the premium for a D0 chip from NCIX.
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I got a +1 for Infonec. They're a bit stingy with price matches since they say a lot of stuff is below cost but its basically the best warranty you can get. If you buy parts from them, they basically cover warranty service for a year by just bringing it to them and they'll ship it for you. Saves you time, money and the hassle of rma'n. Gotten a few dead fans and controllers rma's with them like that and nothing can compare with their service.
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