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Old October 14, 2009, 06:18 PM
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Default Update to run race sims with all the eyecandy and hi FPS

Hi all,
I'm upgrading my tower PC to handle the rigors of Racing Sims like GTR EVO, GTR 2, and new NFS version with all the eye candy and best possible FPS.

I don't play alot of other games. I'd like to play some Halo and other FPS someday but it's not the priority.

I'm not a hardcore O/C'er but I like to leave my options open.

I shop at Newegg, Ncix, Canada Computer and Direct Canada.

I'm switching to Intel CPU platform. But sticking with ATI graphics.

Budget= $500-$800 Can.

No need for office work, photo work or video stuff. My laptop (HP G60) handles it. Mass storage in the house is handled by a DLink 232 NAS with 2 500gig Seagate drives. I've just finished the build on a HTPC that serves as our Blu ray player and media streamer to our Onkyo receiver so no worries about media usage.

I've just dropped the hammer on a Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor.(Big sale at Dell Canada right now, $250 off)
So a good chunk of change has been spent but it was outside of the computer hardware budget.

I intend to race at 1920x1200 res. One day (within a year I hope) I want to go triple head display. My current config just won't hack that.

Current config:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ 2Ghz (Retail Box)
MSI RD480 Neo2-FI Socket 939 ATI Radeon RD480
Western Digital Caviar SATA (WD3200SD) Raid Edition 320GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer
Kingston ValueRAM PC3200 DDR400 1024MB 184-pin DIMM (KVR400X64C3A/1G) x 2 in dual channel
Thermaltake Soprano Dx
Antec True Power Quattro 850
ATI Radeon X1950Pro 250meg x2 in CrossfireX
Mitsumi 7-in-1 Internal Floppy Drive w/ Card Reader (Black)
Pioneer DVR-111D Black DVD Writer DVD +/-R/RW 16x16x8x6 8x DVD+/- Dual layer IDE
OS WinXP Home

Here's the plan:

CPU: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750
M/b:GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD6 LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH
OS: Win 7

And to handle graphics when my wallet recovers:
GIGABYTE GV-R585D5-1GD-B Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity

I got the Playseat Evolution with sliders and G25 shifter holder. I've had a G25 wheel for a couple of years. G15 keyboard as well.
I need to know if the hardware I'm specing is going to get along happily. Thoughts, opinions and pointing out the obvious that I've undoubtedly overlooked would be appreciated.

Last edited by mcZEd38; October 17, 2009 at 01:12 AM. Reason: Because I'm an idiot. Case is a Thermaltake Soprano not the Sonata
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Old October 14, 2009, 06:56 PM
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Should work out fine. However it isn't going to do much better in gaming until you get the video card.

I would suggest just grabbing this: NCIX.com - Buy NCIX P55 Bundle Deal Core I5 750 2.66GHZ CPU G.SKILL 4GB DDR3-1600 C7 Gigabyte P55-UD3R Motherboard - 750-UD3R-4GB In Canada. Assuming you can get it before the 50 sell out.

And you could grab one of these: NCIX.com - Buy XFX Radeon HD 4870 750MHZ 1GB 3.6GHZ GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI HDCP Video Card - HD487AZWFC In Canada. which should suffice until you get your 3 monitors, then upgrade then.

One last thing, I'd highly suggest you get a new case. That Sonata II lacks airflow IMO and might struggle with all this hot hardware in it.
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Old October 15, 2009, 02:07 PM
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^^^^^^^^^

Thanks for the info. Gives something to think about. I'm a bit worried about the 2nd PCIe 16 running at 4x in that M/b.

Found this while hunting down info on that topic.
Conclusion : Core i5, Core i7, CrossFire, And SLI: Gaming Paradise, Redux?

Seems like they say 2 cards is better then one in almost any situation. But spending big on the GPU is always a winning decision.

So maybe I look for a M/b a step down from the UD6 but will still run the 2nd PCIe 16 at 8x at least. Then go for 5850 now and get the 2nd later on.

Revised upgrade:
Newegg pricing
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard $169.99

XFX HD-585A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5850 $279.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $94.99

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor $199.99

That tops out my budget at close to $750.
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More research, more answers. Since I'm building to play Simbin sims at max settings I need GPU's that are kind to DX9.

Radeon HD 5850 reviewed: The DirectX 11 bargain - Radeon HD 5850 review, HD 5850, HD 5800, DirectX 11, Benchmark - PC Games Hardware

So getting a top rated 4xxx card and sticking to a P55 mobo should give me what I'm looking for.

Reasonably future proofed, allowing for hefty gpu upgrades as new race sims that support DX10 &11 come out but able to play current DX9 sims with no sacrifice.

Next modified build list soon to come.
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Old October 15, 2009, 07:25 PM
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The only thing is that Crossfire sometimes doesn't work fully in all games, or it takes a few driver revisions until it works properly.

Running HD4850s in Crossfire left a bad taste in my mouth, it was plagued with driver issues. I don't know if things are better since, or if higher end cards work out better, but it's something worth noting too.
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Going with a single 5850 and plans to XFire later on would likely be your best bet....Mobo with PCI-E Bandwidth x16 / x8 for sure....JDROM....I have zero experience with XFire and Catalyst Drivers but I'm sure they must have "matured" over this past year or so..?....
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Going with a single 5850 and plans to XFire later on would likely be your best bet....Mobo with PCI-E Bandwidth x16 / x8 for sure....JDROM....I have zero experience with XFire and Catalyst Drivers but I'm sure they must have "matured" over this past year or so..?....
Yeah, that was back at the beginning of the year (set of benchmarks I have show Cat8.12). I'm assuming things are better now. Though I had it up until March (so Cat9.2, maybe 9.3), which is when I sold one of the cards.
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Going with a single 5850 and plans to XFire later on would likely be your best bet....Mobo with PCI-E Bandwidth x16 / x8 for sure....JDROM....I have zero experience with XFire and Catalyst Drivers but I'm sure they must have "matured" over this past year or so..?....
Yep, after more surfing I'm finding positive experiences with ATI 5xxx series and Simbin GTR2 and Evo. Not so sure about NFS shift yet.

At this point staying with a 5850, Core I5-750 and PCIe x16/x8 Warning: These P55 motherboards will cripple your Crossfire/SLI performance | Hardware Revolution

is the plan. No change to Ram choice.

So decision made, now on to the shopping.

oh yeah...Dell reports my U2410 is shipping..."when I got it a truck brought it".
But hey, that gives me time to rebuild my system.

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Its obvious Multi GPU screams for X58 n I7.....any room in your budget??
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It's done. DirectCanada. Ram was more then at Newegg, but I couldn't find the 212 at Newegg. Plus no pst ftw.
Dell U2410 has already arrived as well.
My first Intel cpu since a Pentium 133 I had ... a while ago.

I'll be back to post reviews as things come together.


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