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Old March 1, 2009, 08:20 PM
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Default Building a budget system around a 4850x2

I have to keep it under 700 USD

the card puts me at 260 right off the bat but seems seriously worth it

also with this card will my mobo need a PCI-E 2.0 or will it work in a basic PCI-E

and does it matter what integrated graphics chip the mobo has if im running this card?

and does the board need to be compatible with crossfire?



I'm mostly looking to make a machine that will run WoW and oblivion at a tolerable level.


thanks in advance for any advice or recommended setups
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Old March 1, 2009, 09:40 PM
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Most boards now are PCI-E 2.0 so that doesn't really matter.

Since you will be running a dedicated graphics card, integrated graphics also do not matter.

I tried to fit in a 4850x2 but it would have put you rather over budget and if your only playing wow and oblivion you don't need that kind of horsepower. Though since the board is xfire compatible, you can throw in a second one down the road.

I'm going to assume you have a kb/mouse and monitor. What I put together below is just the tower.

LG DVD burner
Cooler Master Centurion 534 Case
WD 640GB drive
Corsair 550W power supply
Ausu P5Q-Pro motherboard
Intel C2d 8400 3.0 GHZ 45NM
Noctua NH-U12P heatsink and fan
ATI 4850 512mb graphics card

This all comes to about $730. There is room to go down in price by dropping the heatsink or power supply down depending on what you choose to do.

You didn't state if you were going to overclock it or not so I assumed that you would, hence the heatsink. The board is crossfire compatible in case you want to add a second card down the road and the P/S should be able to handle 2 of those no problem.

Case is switchable to your tastes, I like it for it's value for airflow and good interior design.

This was all taken from newegg.com and is in USD.
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Old March 1, 2009, 10:14 PM
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the single 4850 iamcanadian listed is more than enough for the games you play. Hell I play crysis at high 1680x1050 with an average 32fps with mine. A word to the wise tho, be weary going the crossfire route. I bought a second card and it was a nightmare trying to get the drivers to work. I ended up returning it.

That is a pretty solid build as far as gaming, plus as far as I know intel mobo's support either sli or x-fire. So if you get fed up with ati's drivers like me, you can switch to team green :p
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Old March 1, 2009, 10:55 PM
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No, that board will no do SLI, you need an Nvidia chipset to do that on a 775 board.

Did you try running driver cleaner before doing any new drivers? I've really only noticed sli/xfire issues when you go with more than 2 GPU's.
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Old March 2, 2009, 08:01 PM
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Did I ever, re-installed vista 5 times, tried every driver released. Was getting the atikmdag.sys BSOD, and then x-fire wasn't recognized by the latest drivers. I finally got it working with 8.10, then crysis was really sketchy (sky/trees flickering) so I downloaded the latest patch(fixed). Then I played for 10 minutes, colors went all squirrely and the game crashed. Tried again, instant crash, and again, and again...The temps were fine on each card.

But my single card back in everything worked fine, so as a result I am not buying any dual gpu cards from ati till things turn around in a big way.
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Old March 2, 2009, 08:17 PM
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That sounds like quite an ordeal, through I still stand by dual GPU cards its the 4 GPU's that have put a rather bad taste in my mouth, and its not just ATI, quad SLI is equally terrible.

Anywho were getting a tad off topic here so..
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Old March 2, 2009, 08:48 PM
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only go for the 4850x2 if you game on 1920x 1200 resolution and up
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Old March 3, 2009, 09:00 PM
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thanks for the feedback guys, so if a 4850 is all i need here is what im looking at right now

Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar GP WD5000AACS 500GB 5400 to 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives WD 500gb SATA HD

Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100258-1GL Radeon HD 4850 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards SAPPHIRE 4850 1gb DDR3

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Newegg.com - Apollo AP-HD4850 512MB DDR4 Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards Apollo 4850 512 GDDR4 (this one looks a little shady)

Newegg.com - Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 650W ATX12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply with Three 12V Rails - Power Supplies ANTEC 650W PSU 3 12v rails 19A each (57 total amps)

Newegg.com - OCZ 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Desktop Memory OCZ 4gb dual channel DDR2 1066

Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more! AMD Phenom II x3 720 socket AM3 95w + BIOSTAR 790GX HDMI ATX


it looks good plus room for a xfire upgrade

with this setup all i need is a case and maybe CPU cooler if i decide to OC but im already at 2.6 how much faster do i really need?

and im at a little under 600 so far so i think i'm in good shape

oh and also can i run hybrid crossfire with the 790gx and the 4850? or would that be a waste of my time?
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Old March 3, 2009, 09:44 PM
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Hybrid Crossfire/SLI is a gimmick IMO since it's still onboard video.

I would never buy an X3 chip as they are all failed quad cores and this makes me a little weary of them. Something like an E8400 easily clocks up to 4 GHZ+ or 3.5 if your not that aggressive and at that clock speed it will beat out any X3 chip. If the 8400 is too high pricewise I'm sure the E7400 would have no problem hitting 3.5-4.0 with a decent cooler.

If your looking to do go AMD theres some other board options that would get you a much better abng for the buck:
Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more! Quad core 2.5Ghz
Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more! Phenom II 940 3.0 GHZ (seems like a damn good deal to me)
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I would never buy an X3 chip as they are all failed quad cores and this makes me a little weary of them.
The only "evidence" I have seen supporting that claim is something Intel said when AMD first released their X3s. People have also successfully re-enabled the lost core and have had no issues so far, so as far as the X3 being a "failed quad" I'm doubtful, and even if it is, it can still work perfectly as an X3.
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