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Old February 6, 2009, 02:57 PM
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Hey all, I've never built a computer before, have a friend who has probably never bought a premade computer before, and he gave me some suggestions on building my fist system, looking for feedback. As per the instructions for this thread:

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing. *** Word processing, DL'ing and playing video's, picture editing (amatuer now, want to get more professional though), some gaming. Don't want to have to upgrade for a couple years minimum.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread *** Originally $1000, looks like my build is approaching $1500, depending on the reliability, longevity, and my preference, anywhere in this range is acceptable.

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from. *** I live in Ottawa, Canada, want to build it in the next month or so, so don't mind ordering for parts.

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc, etc, etc, you get the picture. *** I don't know much about any brand, I want high quality though.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are. *** No current parts, had a 6 year old laptop, drowned it in beer accidentally.

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads. *** Nothing beyond talking to my friend, we spent about 2 hours going over stuff, teaching me some basics...have midterms and crap right now, not too much time for research until another week or so.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds. *** Don't know the difference, but overclocking seems to be talked about a lot, if it's good I want it, hahaha.

8. WHEN do you plan to build it? *** Next couple weeks to a month and a half. By early March latest.

Here's the specs we came up with looking mostly at PC Cyber.com

Case Antec sonata 500w psu 130 --> want to change to PC Cyber Canada - For All Your Computer Needs , which requires buying a power supply
CPU Q8200 220
MOBO P5Q-E 185
Ram OCZ Gold 8500 85
VID 200
HDD Seagate 500G 80
DVD Samsung dvd 35
Monitor LG 22" W2242TQ 200
Keyboard mouse 200

TOTAL: 1335 ---> No specific keyboad/mouse combo or vid card chosen yet, nor does this include a power supply if I get the swanky looking case. I eventually want to be able to hook this system up to a 42' tv and use a tv capture card with it and vista's media centre, etc.

Thanks for any and all suggestions!
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Old February 6, 2009, 03:40 PM
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If you want a good $200 video card, then a 4850, 9800GTX+ are your top candidates, right in the $200 price bracket. If you want to spend less, then the 4830 or 9800GT is in order.

Overclocking is when you make a CPU or video card or RAM work at speeds that are faster than their stock speeds. In extreme cases without proper cooling you can damage your parts, however if you do it in moderation with proper cooling it yields great performance results. Be careful because OCing can void the warranty on some parts, which isn't that bad because they'll still last awhile, so long as you don't do it like crazy.

Read up on it, it's not that hard to do.
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Old February 6, 2009, 04:58 PM
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Buy from Direct Canada or NCIX instead. Buy from the specials and price match other retailers.

Intel Q6600 or Q9450 or E8400
ASUS P5Q Pro or Gigabyte EP45-UD3P
Corsair, OCZ, Patriot, or Mushkin 4GB DDR800 4-4-4-12 or DDR1066
ATI 4850 or ATI 4870. Also consider the GTX260 Core 216 and 9800GTX+ and 9800GT
Western Digital/Seagate 640GB
Corsair HX620 or TX650
OCZ Vendetta 2

The rest, you can decide for yourself since it basically comes up to user preference.
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I also Suggest the P5Q-Pro for the motherboard. I have it and its a good board. not much difference between that and the P5Q-E besides dual lan ports and a slightly better sound chip (if memory serves) but the Pro is slightly cheaper.
If you want a bit of longevity I suggest a quad core. So Q6600, or Q9550 (or other 9000 series variant). With windows 7 coming out and more and more programs taking advantage of multi core processors this will be a big boost.
Get as much ram as you can. 8GB if probably good (2 kits of 2x2GB), but do some research to make sure it works, you may need to change some BIOS settings in your motherboard. If you're not overclocking stick with DDR2-800 or even DDR2-667 that will also save you some cash.
If you're not doing much gaming don't spring for the GTX200 series, go with a Nvidia 9000 series card (9600 GT or 9800 GT will run you about $150)
I like Seagate Hard drives, you could get 2 500GB for just over $100.
As for a power supply If you're not overclocking and not running any huge video cards or anything you don't need too big of a psu. I have a 430watt antec Earth watts. If its a good name it will outperform/outlast the biggest of crappy psu's. NCIX.com - Buy Antec Truepower Trio 550W Power Supply ATX12V V2.0 Active PFC SLI Certified 120MM Fan - TP3-550 In Canada.
This Antec 500watt should be plenty.

Hope this helps.
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Old February 8, 2009, 03:30 PM
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Thanks so much everyone! This will provide me with a lot of reading/research for the next little bit (have 3 midterms, 1 quiz and 2 assignments this week, so it will probably take me a couple weeks to get back to you all if I do have any more questions). Thanks again!
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As for a power supply If you're not overclocking and not running any huge video cards or anything you don't need too big of a psu. I have a 430watt antec Earth watts. If its a good name it will outperform/outlast the biggest of crappy psu's. NCIX.com - Buy Antec Truepower Trio 550W Power Supply ATX12V V2.0 Active PFC SLI Certified 120MM Fan - TP3-550 In Canada.
Eh for that price range, I'd much rather the Corsair 550W: Newegg.ca - CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Power Supplies Solid 41A single 12V rail compared to the triple rail setup on the Antec. Plus all the cables are sleeved. And it doesn't really cost anymore after MIR. With a windowed case, sleeved cables are a must IMO.

That OCZ Gold seems quite expensive. $85?! You can get some DDR2-800 G.SKILL for $55 or if you insist on DDR2-1066, these G.SKILLs are only $67.

And as previously said, get the 640GB drives, they don't cost much more (if any) compared to 500GB drives and perform faster. I think Western Digital is the way to go. I'd be careful with Seagates (the 7200.11s) since a lot of them have been failing.
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'nother vote for WD 640. Get the Black edition, when on sale its very cheap, yet is one of the fastest 7200rpm drives on the market right now. As for RAM, go for Mushkin or G.Skill and you won't be sorry (mushkin if OC'ing, G skill if not). Actually make that another vote for the Corsair line of PSUs. Never been a fan of multi rails or Antec PSUs. Corsairs are very good (though I prefer the modular HX520 / 620 model as they are Seasonic made). Though for the same money you can get a PC Power and Cooling 750 (seasoninc made) PSU which is VERY sweet. Its on sale at NCIX.com

Cases are a personal choice but I would take a CM or Antec over most other brands. In your price range you could go for a CM 690 plus widow kit. OR a Antec 900 for example.

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Well, I was quite delayed in building this due a financial hiccup, and my choices were limited because I went to a local store in Ottawa (am I allowed to say where?) where a friend who is a Nerds On Site tech gets a nice discount (about 10-15%) so I just ordered what was close to my list items and what was in stock. Here's the final build:

Case: Antec Sonata III 500 (w/1 TriCool fan and an Earthwatts 500 PS)
CPU: Core 2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66Ghz
MOBO: Asus P5Q Pro Turbo (P45 chipset)
Ram: OCZ PC2-8500 DDR2 Reaper 2x2GB
VID: EVGA GeFroce GT250 1Gb 256bit GDDR3
HDD: Western Digital 640Gb 7200rpm Black
DVD: LG DVDRW 22x
Monitor: LG W2353 23" LCD (Full HD)
Kb/mse: Enermax Ceasar Aluminum wireless Keyboard and Mouse

Also grabbed a Dynex 6 outlet surge protector, was the cheapest at Futureshop, where I got the monitor on sale. The monitor and surge protector and warranty on the monitor were $389.85 all in, and the rest was $965.76 all in.

Thanks again for all the advice!

Oh, and sorry if the part descriptions are somewhat redundant, I don't know what half of the description means for some of those things, I still have a lot to learn, due to time restraints my buddy helped me a LOT!
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Ditch the Sonata case. It's only good for low end systems (integrated everything) in my opinion. The Antec 300 plus a PSU that you pick out yourself will be better as the case air flow is much, much better.

Also, if you put the second 120mm fan (which you need for ANY airflow) in the sonata, you can barely fit a full length 8800GT.
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Ditch the Sonata case. It's only good for low end systems (integrated everything) in my opinion. The Antec 300 plus a PSU that you pick out yourself will be better as the case air flow is much, much better.

Also, if you put the second 120mm fan (which you need for ANY airflow) in the sonata, you can barely fit a full length 8800GT.
So you think this system won't get enough air? We just grabbed that case because they had a lot of them and they were cheap, came with a PSU, and were available right away. I might make some changes later, like in the fall, so these things are good to know. Right now I don't do any overclocking or anything. I kind of wanted a case that looked more original anyway.
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CPU: Core 2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66Ghz
MOBO: Asus P5Q Pro Turbo (P45 chipset)
Ram: OCZ PC2-8500 DDR2 Reaper 2x2GB
VID: EVGA GeFroce GT250 1Gb 256bit GDDR3
HDD: Western Digital 640Gb 7200rpm Black
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Monitor: LG W2353 23" LCD (Full HD)
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