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Old February 4, 2009, 05:16 PM
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1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

My PC will be used mainly for gaming. MMO's, FPS's, RPG's but also will be used for Photoshopping and website graphics.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

I've already spent $921.93 and have $500 more to spend.

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

Canada.

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc, etc, etc, you get the picture.

Intel, nVidia, Maxtor, XFX/eVGA.


5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

Ok, so here is what I have bought so far. XFX 780i SLI mobo, CoolerMaster690 (nVidia edition), 4GB Patriot Extreme DDR2 PC6400, XFX GeForce GTX 285, also an extra 120mm fan and a 80mm fan for behind the CPU. From my previous system I am going to use my 700W Ultra Modular PSU, Maxtor 320GB, Sony DVD-RW. I also have a Intel Q6600 which is where my question lies.

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.

Yes, quite extensively but I am looking for a second opinion.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

Yes, though not heavily. I just want to push a little more out of the CPU and the RAM.

8. WHEN do you plan to build it?

This weekend when the GPU arrives as it was backordered.

Ok, so I have a Q6600 that I overclocked on my previous system to 3.15GHz from 2.4 GHz. It ran well and seems to still be a decent chip but I have $500 to spend and was thinking of going up to a chip with a higher stock FSB. I didn't have too many issues with the quad-core but for gaming I am wondering if it is better for me to go with a dual core. The chips that i'm looking at are the Q9550 (quad) or the E8600 (duo). I have a ThermaTek CPU cooler that does a decent job and the case I am getting is very good at cooling as well so i do plan on doing some overclocking. I would like some advice on all of this and anything you would change from what I have bought or already have.

Thanks!!
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Old February 4, 2009, 05:25 PM
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Well right now dual core or quad core isn't that imporant for most games. Its the SPEED. For instance my CoD4 game only uses my 1st core of my E8400.
If you have a 6600 at 3GHz it shouldn't perform much different from a E8400 at 3GHz for 99% of things.
But if you have 500 bucks to spend I would suggest getting a quad core from the 9000 series of intel chips as in the next few years multithreaded processing is going to be utilized much more me thinks. They have Higher caches, fsb's, and use 45nm tech as opposed to 65nm.

I will be buying a 9550 soon hopefully.

But keep in mind many people are still buying 6600s and others are still very happy with their OC's with this chip.

Also...maxtor fanboy? I mean if you have a maxtor drive fine but get you're self something decent like a WD or Seagate.
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Old February 4, 2009, 06:12 PM
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I was leaning towards the q9550 as well. Don't get me wrong the Q6600 is an awesome chip but I will be selling it, the old motherboard and case to an aunt that does graphics editing and video editing. Along with my old video cards too. I had 8600 GT's in SLI but was getting artifacts and tearing at higher settings and resolutions. Plus it would bluescreen if I used dual monitors while gaming.

As for the Maxtor thing I just find they are the most reliable drives. Never had one go bad on me. As opposed to Seagates which are notorious for failing Their last batch with the bad firmware got a lot of people that I know. WD is good though and I may go to one of those. I have been looking at SSD's (solid state drives) lately as well and keeping an eye on that technology.

Thanks for your input I appreciate it.
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IF you can wing the 9650, get that instead, but your plans sound fine given your expectations. Clocking 45nm quad, after 65nm, is like a dream...you'll get 3.6-4.0ghz with ease.

the 9550's multi will hamper your efforts in this regard.

9650...3.6ghz=9x400, 8x450, 4ghz @ 9x445, 8x500 if you have a good board.
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Old February 4, 2009, 06:42 PM
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Keep the Quad, and buy a decent cooling system. All my Q6600s (#4 on hand as I type this) did 3.6GHz easily. I'd stick to it, and go for water cooling instead.

For having owned the Q6600 (3.6), E8400 (4.3), E8500 (4.4), Q9450 (4.0), QX9650 (4.3); there aren't that much difference once oc'ed. The QX was a monster at 4.3 though.

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Pfffft. I also say keep the Q6600. My Q8200 with the lower cache and so forth easily runs 3GHz which runs everything like butter. I can clock it higher but don't really feel the need yet. More expensive doesn't mean better especially when anything over 3Ghz is basically useless speed in real world apps.
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Welcome to HWC p3dro. My vote is to get the Q9550(my plan this year ..i have an E8400 now), sell the Q6600... take that money and grab a WD640GB Black for storage...or for your OS drive(the 640 Black is an awesome OS drive), and switch the Maxtor to storage. The 45nm quad will clock up to 3.8GHz or more fairly easily.. which is faster than a Q6600@ the same frequency. It will run cooler, use less power... therefore gentler on the mobo(VRM/MOSFET's) and PSU. The only thing i'm not sure of is your RAM. Being 6400, 400FSB(Q6600) would be okay, but 450-475FSB with the Q9550 could be pushin it... depending on the quality of your RAM. You don't want to have to run CAS 6 in order to get 450-475 out of your RAM. GL
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Thanks for the welcome 1Tanker. I completely agree on the Q9550 it looks like an awesome chip. The 45nm architecture is very attractive to me and I'm liking the looks of the WD. Geez, now you guys have me going with the water-cooling though. I've been looking at some prices but I must admit I have never done water cooling before and am not sure where to start there. I'll look around on here for a good guide to water cooling though. Once I get my system built (going to take my time) I will post pictures to show it off.

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PS: So glad to find this site and have advice from fellow Canadians!
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Old February 5, 2009, 01:49 AM
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Ok, so after much deep thinking. I am looking at just making this a complete new build. That being said I have picked the following components to complete the system.


NCIX.com - Buy Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Quad Core Processor LGA775 2.83GHZ Yorkfield 1333FSB 12MB Retail Box - BX80569Q9550 In Canada.

NCIX.com - Buy LG GH22LS30 Black 22X SATA Lightscribe DVDRW OEM - GH22LS30 BLACK In Canada.

NCIX.com - Buy Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200RPM 32MB Dual Proc 3.5IN SATA Hard Drive OEM 5YR Mfg Warranty - WD6401AALS In Canada.

NCIX.com - Buy Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan - CMPSU-750TX In Canada.

Any comments/suggestions on this would be appreciated as I would like to order this fairly quickly. For now I am going to stick with air cooling as my case is setup to do this quite well (though it does come with the pre-drilled holes for WC solutions).

EDIT: Going to sell my old system or turn it into a Linux system as I like the Ubuntu 8.10 but hate dual-booting.
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Ok, so after much deep thinking. I am looking at just making this a complete new build. That being said I have picked the following components to complete the system.


NCIX.com - Buy Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Quad Core Processor LGA775 2.83GHZ Yorkfield 1333FSB 12MB Retail Box - BX80569Q9550 In Canada.

NCIX.com - Buy LG GH22LS30 Black 22X SATA Lightscribe DVDRW OEM - GH22LS30 BLACK In Canada.

NCIX.com - Buy Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200RPM 32MB Dual Proc 3.5IN SATA Hard Drive OEM 5YR Mfg Warranty - WD6401AALS In Canada.

NCIX.com - Buy Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan - CMPSU-750TX In Canada.

Any comments/suggestions on this would be appreciated as I would like to order this fairly quickly. For now I am going to stick with air cooling as my case is setup to do this quite well (though it does come with the pre-drilled holes for WC solutions).

EDIT: Going to sell my old system or turn it into a Linux system as I like the Ubuntu 8.10 but hate dual-booting.
Good choices.... except maybe the LG burner. Samsung burners seem to be better for similar price.. but it's not a big issue. Try to Price-match from other E-tailers to NCIX... you could save some decent money.

-The WD640 Black is on sale at NCIX for $88.99... but only until Feb 10.

NCIX.com - Buy Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200RPM 32MB Dual Proc 3.5IN SATA Hard Drive OEM 5YR Mfg Warranty - WD6401AALS In Canada.

If you miss that sale, Direct Canada has them for the same $88.88.. so either way you could get it for that price.

Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200RPM 32MB Dual Proc 3.5IN Sata Hard Drive Oem 5YR Mfg Warranty - DirectCanada

Once again, NCIX has the Q9550 on sale, til the 10th/ or stock runs out, for $349.98

NCIX.com - Buy Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Quad Core Processor LGA775 2.83GHZ Yorkfield 1333FSB 12MB Retail Box - BX80569Q9550 In Canada.

If you miss that, Newegg.ca has them for $341.99(sweet price) so try to PM that with NCIX.... they might go for it.

Newegg.ca - Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops

If they don't, NCIX generally PM's with Direct Canada, due to them being affiliated; and DC has it for $360.66-still cheaper than the regular NCIX price.

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Quad Core Processor LGA775 2.83GHZ Yorkfield 1333FSB 12MB Retail Box - DirectCanada

The Corsair TX750 price of $110.99 after M.I.R is a great price..only good til the 15th.
If you miss out on that, Direct Canada has it on til the 15th also, for $109.01 after $24 M.I.R.

Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan - DirectCanada

The LG burner is on for $31.98 at NCIX til the 10th.

NCIX.com - Buy LG GH22LS30 Black 22X SATA Lightscribe DVDRW OEM - GH22LS30 BLACK In Canada.

You could likely PM it from to NCIX for $29.67($2 here and $2 there adds up, especially with tax.) from BestDirect.

Buy LG GH22LS30 Black 22X SATA Lightscribe DVDRW

You might want to try overclocking your current RAM, to see if it has any headroom above 400MHz. If not, you're gonna want some better RAM. GL

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