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Old January 29, 2009, 08:57 PM
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Hello everyone. I'm trying to build a gaming powerhouse for $1500 and I can't figure finalize because i'm so confused. Any help would be appreciated.

1) My Computer will be used mainly for gaming (I want to use it for the next 2-3 years possible)

2) My Budget is around $1500+ tax OR CHEAPER

3) I will be buying my parts from NCIX Canada (I am from Vancouver and can pickup locally)

4) I want to go the intel route, and I was going to go ATI but NCIX has sweet deals on the high end nvidia cards right now.

5) I am buying everything new and will get NCIX to build

6) I have searched threads and done a fair bit of research but am a newbie

7) I plan on doing some minor overclocking

8) I plan to build ASAP


OK here is what I have come up with from NCIX

EVGA Nforce 750I SLI Ftw LGA775 ATX DDR2 2PCI-E16 1PCI-E1 2PCI SATA RAID Sound GBLAN Motherboard $193.44 after rebate

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail $199

Xigmatek HDT-S1283 Direct Touch 3 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 LGA775 S754 S939 S940 W 120MM PWM Fan $39.99

BFG GeForce GTX 280 OC Far Cry 2 615MHZ 1024MB 2.214GHZ GDDR3 PCI-E 2XDVI-I HDCP HDTV Out Video Card $369.99

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad CrossFire 750W ATX V2.2 EPS12 24PIN Active PFC Power *IR-$70* $109.99 after rebate

OCZ XTC Platinum Edition PC2-8500 DDR2 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-18 Dual Channel EPP Memory Kit $59.99 after rebate

LG GH22NS30 Black DVD+RW 22X8X16 DVD-RW 22X6X16 DL 16X/12X 2MB SATA OEM $35.45

Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200RPM 32MB Dual Proc 3.5IN SATA Hard Drive OEM 5YR Mfg Warranty $101.64

Samsung T220 22IN Widescreen LCD Monitor 1680X1050 2MS 20000:1DC VGA DVI-D HDCP $239.99

Coolermaster CM 690 Mid Tower Black ATX Case 5X5.25 5X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound Firewire & eSATA $89.99

TOTAL is $1439 before tax.

I was set before on the Asus PQ5 Pro and the ATI 4870 but i'm thinking about spending a bit more on a 280 card and an sli motherboard for the option later. I am clueless on the case. Thinking bout Antec 900 I just don't know which will support my parts better (big video card, maybe 2 later). Also is my power supply big enough for a few years if I go 2 nvidia 280 cards? Please help because I want to purchase soon. Any suggestions on any parts would be appreciated.

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Old January 29, 2009, 09:27 PM
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Also is my power supply big enough for a few years if I go 2 nvidia 280 cards?
That PSU did fine on my 280 SLI ....BUT...wasn't sure for how long..as it is "pushing" things...elected to go with a recomended 1kW for 280 SLI. Corsair HX1000W CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX 20/24PIN ATX 80A 12V Afc Modular Power Supply W/ 140MM Fan - DirectCanada ....ensure you price match prior to purchasing....I see savings thier for sure. particularly with that 640 Black ..see here..Buy Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200RPM 32MB Dual Proc 3.5IN SATA Hard Drive OEM 5YR Mfg Warranty
Also this..Evga E-GEFORCE Gtx 280 Superclocked 621MHZ 1024MB 2.268GHZ GDDR3 Dual DVI-I Hdcp Hdtv Out Video Card - DirectCanada

Other than that...looks good...I'm sure for just a few more $$$ you could go straight to an I7 build!
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Old January 29, 2009, 09:28 PM
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If you plan you run dual GTX280s, you need more than 750W. I'd go with 850W at least or more. Check out NVIDIA's site for recommended PSUs.

Might consider stepping up to a full tower case like the Antec 1200 or Coolermaster HAF932. That'll leave you tons of space for anything you'd ever want to install.

Personally I'd drop SLI, since nForce chipsets aren't known to be the most stable or cool running, and go with the P45 chipset regardless of whether you get ATI or NVIDIA graphics. Chances are you'll just upgrade to a single faster card in the future rather than buying another GTX280 or whatever to run dual.

Also it should be known that dual-graphics solutions do NOT work in every game nor do they scale to 2x. It's usually closer to 1.5x. And with a 22" LCD (1680x1050), most will say SLI is pointless.

Remember to use Price Canada or the Price Compare on HWC to find the lowest prices on everything and pricematch on NCIX. You'll probably save quite a bit of money that way.

And do NOT expect this computer to play the latest games on maximum settings in 2-3 years. You'll most likely be more around medium settings by then. Gaming PCs just simply do not last that long without upgrades.
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If you plan you run dual GTX280s, you need more than 750W. I'd go with 850W at least or more. Check out NVIDIA's site for recommended PSUs.
+1...btw thier is only 1 850W on thier site recomended for a 280 SLI config....and its almost the same price as a Corsair HX 1kW...imo..go with the Corsair.
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Might consider stepping up to a full tower case like the Antec 1200 or Coolermaster HAF932. That'll leave you tons of space for anything you'd ever want to install.
Definitely..."no brainer" if your even "thinking" SLI...
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Personally I'd drop SLI, since nForce chipsets aren't known to be the most stable or cool running,
- sorry man..gotten into this in the past on here with Enab and you guys are obviously basing all this on past 680i Boards, my 780i Board (now in my wifes Office) has been running rock solid with the E8400 @ 4.05 Ghz for a year now...really, get over this nForce Chipset milarky...its old and worn thin!
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Also it should be known that dual-graphics solutions do NOT work in every game nor do they scale to 2x. It's usually closer to 1.5x. And with a 22" LCD (1680x1050), most will say SLI is pointless.
A dual Graphics solution (as in nVidia) will enable the gamer to "crank-up" all Eye Candy to max at 22" Res...without a hitch...with the price of 280's down...its worth it and 2 x 280's is faster then 1 295 0r 4870x2, regardless of the Res. (with all Eye Candy cranked)
The "myths" aren't keeping up with the "times".....imo...then again..what do I know?
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Definitely..."no brainer" if your even "thinking" SLI...
Ha, just watch me. I'll stick two GTX260s in an A05B and prove you wrong.
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Instead of the E8400 I'd go for a quad core from the Q9000 series. Core i7 is out now and windows 7 will be out soon (hopefully) so multi core processes will be handled better, and if you want it to last a couple of years, getting a quad core cpu helps delay the inevitable upgrade a little longer.
I have an E8400 bought about 7 months ago, will probably be buying a Q9550 as soon as I can get the cash.

Xigmatek HDT-21283 is a great cpu cooler, I have it, BUT my advice, buy Arctic Silver MX-2 thermal paste instead of the junk it comes with, look up application methods online for the HDT. ALSO buy a bolt through kiT!!!! the Plastic clips are garbage! Xigmatek has its own bolt though kit now but LGA775 kit will do.

ALSO, P5Q-Pro is one of the most popular P45 chipset boards out there right now, I have that as well.

Good luck. But you should attempt the build yourself! Playing with your cable managment and learning how to organize components is good knoweldge to have! lots of help on the internet if you are not sure! plus it will save you the $50 assembly fee.
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Ha, just watch me. I'll stick two GTX260s in an A05B and prove you wrong
Infin...I'm sure they'll fit.whatever..hell I had my GTX 280's (SLI) in a Raidmax Smilidon Case...the issue isn't about "fitting" its about breathing...as in the Cards getting proper ventilation...the 280's run considerably warmer than the 260's....
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I have an E8400 bought about 7 months ago, will probably be buying a Q9550 as soon as I can get the cash.
"Upgrading" from a duo Core E8400 to a Quad Core 9550 is not a wise choice ....imo :)....if your going to "upgrade" to any Quad Core from a E8400 Duo Core ...save your money and go for an I7....or future I5....
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Unless you can get a cheap Q9X Rj's right. Personally I'd go to an i7 before getting another C2Q esepcially when considering SLI.

The 7xx series issues just never dies huh Rj...yawn.

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+1...btw thier is only 1 850W on thier site recomended for a 280 SLI config....and its almost the same price as a Corsair HX 1kW...imo..go with the Corsair.
I was thinking along the lines of the Corsair 850W since that isn't overly expensive yet packs enough power even if it's not certified by NVIDIA. It's like $100 less than the 1KW Corsair...

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- sorry man..gotten into this in the past on here with Enab and you guys are obviously basing all this on past 680i Boards, my 780i Board (now in my wifes Office) has been running rock solid with the E8400 @ 4.05 Ghz for a year now...really, get over this nForce Chipset milarky...its old and worn thin!
I don't know man, I'm pretty sure the 750i and 780i still had some issues. However most of the time you can "fix" it by tweaking your settings as such with the 650i boards I have in my house, but out of the box, I still say nForce chipsets are behind on Intel.

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A dual Graphics solution (as in nVidia) will enable the gamer to "crank-up" all Eye Candy to max at 22" Res...without a hitch...with the price of 280's down...its worth it and 2 x 280's is faster then 1 295 0r 4870x2, regardless of the Res. (with all Eye Candy cranked)
The "myths" aren't keeping up with the "times".....imo...then again..what do I know?
What I meant was in the future, say a year from now, when he goes to get the second GTX280 for SLI, there will be a single card out there that will most likely be faster than SLI GTX280s since it sounds like he's not buying SLI right away. If he's doing it within 6 months it might be alright.

And still, not EVERY game supports SLI or Crossfire. And the gains are rarely ever 2x like it would be in an ideal world.


Not sure why some of you guys are against the Q9xxx CPUs...
It's way more costly to enter the i7 market (motherboards are more, DDR3 is way more) and the Yorkfields perform pretty decently. Plus as things slowly become multithreaded, the gains will only further improve. A Q9550 would be decent IMO but I doubt he could afford it.
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