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Old January 15, 2009, 08:40 PM
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hey guys, im a brand new member and been looking at the threads looking to buy a new gaming computer. i am currently overwhelmed with all that is out there at this point. i was current but now i have gotten behind the curve and i need some help with a gaming comp...

as for my budget i am looking between 1200-1800. the lower the better obviously.

the use for my computer is for gaming. i like to keep my graphics on games @ high on all ends.

cpu's i have absolutely no clue what to go with anymore. so i definately need help with this

i have seen the eVGA GeForce GTX 280 HC16 Hydro Copper which interested me, i read reviews about it

but i would like to get some suggestions, i know i am quite vague as to what im looking for. but im not a hardcore gamer but i would like to be able to use it for the next 2-3 years to come before upgrading. i have never used a water cooled computer before i am very inexperience in this, and i dont know if i need an extra water cooling system, if its better...

again as i said my budget is between 1200-1800 but if its possible to keep it lower the better, i have been shopping around but with all the cpu's out there im not sure which is reccomended now, quad core, stay with dual core, core 2 duo's or go with AMD.

i would need 2 hd's 1 for my windows vista and all major programs and an extra hd for my music games and so on, if ever i need to format, and i dont feel like partitioning the drives.

and any of you guys could give me a great suggestion, give me an idea as to where to go and buy my parts... i live in Laval, QC
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Old January 15, 2009, 08:42 PM
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Why not just take the easy route and copy the generic Intel builds that everyone does nowadays. You know.... go with the flow, follow suit... lol.

Edit: Speaking seriously though... You need to answer a few more question first:
Primary role of the PC?
Legit windows or not?
Overclocking or not?

Start there and let us know....
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Old January 15, 2009, 09:29 PM
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the use for my computer is for gaming. i like to keep my graphics on games @ high on all ends.

i would like to be able to use it for the next 2-3 years to come before upgrading.
This is not going to happen. You'll easily be able to play games for a while, but its very unlikely you'll be able to max everything out on everything for the next 2-3 years.

I currently recommend the 45nm Intel quads are the way to go. i7 costs a fair amount still, and doesn't offer huge improvements over Core 2 in terms of real world performance (synthetics it does great in though). I'd personally go with 4GB of ram and Vista 64, though you will hear much to the contrary from a few members here. If you do get the EVGA card with the included waterblock, you HAVE to get a liquid cooling system, which likely means at least a small amount of case modifications (more for a better looking, better cooling system). And if you don't explicitly want to say you are going to pirate windows just say "I already own a copy " I'm sure someone will post a parts list soon enough, I'd do it myself but I'm off to bed now. G'night!
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Old January 16, 2009, 12:14 AM
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This is not going to happen. You'll easily be able to play games for a while, but its very unlikely you'll be able to max everything out on everything for the next 2-3 years.

I currently recommend the 45nm Intel quads are the way to go. i7 costs a fair amount still, and doesn't offer huge improvements over Core 2 in terms of real world performance (synthetics it does great in though)
Oy, in the next 2-3 years, the core i7 will be as standard as LGA775 is nowadays. If you really want to futureproof then I would definitely go core i7. It may not be a HUGE improvement, but definitely an improvement nonetheless, and it will be needed more and more as games are released that take advantage of the technology. If you really want to go LGA775, I've put together a parts list for that as well. Core i7 parts list:

Case - HAF932: Cooler Master Haf 932 Full Tower Black EATX Case 6X5.25 1X3.5 5X3.5INT No PSU USB eSATA 1394 Audio - DirectCanada - $165

Mobo: - Asus P6T: ASUS P6T X58 ATX LGA1366 DDR3 LGA1366 3PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI CrossFire SLI SATA2 GBLAN Motherboard - DirectCanada - $292

CPU: - Core i7 920: Buy Intel Core I7 920 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.66GHZ Bloomfield 8MB LGA1366 4.8GT/S - $360

RAM: A-Data 6GB DDR3-1600: Buy A-DATA AD31600G002GM(O) 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600 CL 9-9-9-24 Triple Channel Memory Kit - $185

OR: (if you want to save $15 or so) - G-Skill 6GB DDR3-1333: http://www.newegg.ca/Product /Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231223&nm_mc=OTC-sho6b0tCA&cm_mmc=OTC-sho6b0tCA-_-Memory+(Desktop+Memory)-_-G.SKILL-_-20231223 - $172

Video - GTX 280: NCIX.com - Buy BFG GeForce GTX 280 OC Far Cry 2 615MHZ 1024MB 2.214GHZ GDDR3 PCI-E 2XDVI-I HDCP HDTV Out Video Card - BFGEGTX2801024OCE In Canada. - $350 after $50 MIR

PSU: PC Power & Cooling Quad Silencer 750: NCIX.com - Buy PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad CrossFire 750W ATX V2.2 EPS12 24PIN Active PFC Power Supply Red - S75CF In Canada. - $85 - After $35 MIR

DVD: Samsung 22x black DVD burner: Newegg.ca - SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD Burner - CD / DVD Burners -$30

TOTAL w/o TAX: $1467
- Futureproofing is expensive :(

LGA775 BUILD:

Case - CoolerMaster Centurion 590: centurion 590 - Price Comparison - Canada's Cheapest Prices - $74

PSU: PC Power & Cooling Quad Silencer 750: NCIX.com - Buy PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad CrossFire 750W ATX V2.2 EPS12 24PIN Active PFC Power Supply Red - S75CF In Canada. - $85 after $30 MIR

Mobo: DFI LANPARTY DK X48-T2RS: Newegg.ca - DFI LANPARTY DK X48-T2RS LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Intel Motherboards - $226

CPU: Intel Q9550: Newegg.ca - Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops - $380

RAM: 4GB Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066: Newegg.ca - CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Desktop Memory - $88

Video: GTX280: NCIX.com - Buy BFG GeForce GTX 280 OC Far Cry 2 615MHZ 1024MB 2.214GHZ GDDR3 PCI-E 2XDVI-I HDCP HDTV Out Video Card - BFGEGTX2801024OCE In Canada. - $350

DVD: Samsung 22x black DVD burner: Newegg.ca - SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD Burner - CD / DVD Burners -$30

TOTAL w/o TAX: $1233. You could get another GTX280 with the money you saved, your call.
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I'd knock the GTX280 down to a GTX260 216 shader model. Performs pretty damn close for less money. Another option would be the GTX295 or HD4870X2 if you want the top-end card.

And for LGA, go with the P45 chipset. Better than the X38/X48 for overclocking the 45nm quads. Either way there's no option for SLI. Crossfire only.

Also I'd use the HAF932 in either build. And you should probably consider some aftermarket CPU cooling too.
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I'd knock the GTX280 down to a GTX260 216 shader model. Performs pretty damn close for less money. Another option would be the GTX295 or HD4870X2 if you want the top-end card.

And for LGA, go with the P45 chipset. Better than the X38/X48 for overclocking the 45nm quads. Either way there's no option for SLI. Crossfire only.

Also I'd use the HAF932 in either build. And you should probably consider some aftermarket CPU cooling too.
...Why? X48 is way better for OCing than P45, I dunno how you got that. If he's not OCing, then get P45, like the Asus P5Q Pro ($134) or the Gigabyte EP45-UD3P ($142)

And GTX280's can be had for $350, whereas GTX260 216's hang around for $320-ish. It's a big meh in my books

GTX295/4870X2 is far too much power for what he needs, especially if he's not a hardcore gamer. A GTX280 is already more than enough, and depending on how much he plays, should last hiim for a fair amount of time. If you really want to save the money, cheapest price I could find for the GTX 216 was $321 at Newegg

HAF932 = BIG = High Air Flow = fairly expensive for LGA775 = uneeded/overkill except if you use it with Core i7. Ideally, he could go for Antec 900 for $50 more and get a bit more fan, but either way it's a big meh, especially when working with regular sized LGA775 boards

But you're right about aftermarket cooling... try the OCZ Vendetta II ($30), Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme ($65 w/o fan), with a Bolt-Thru Kit for LGA1366 (should you go i7). If you want to do it up nice, the CoolerMaster V8 always comes with great sufficiency.
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...Why? X48 is way better for OCing than P45, I dunno how you got that. If he's not OCing, then get P45, like the Asus P5Q Pro ($134) or the Gigabyte EP45-UD3P ($142)
Have you not read all the threads about how bad the X38 is for 45nm quads? The X48 isn't much better either since it's based directly off the X38. I have no idea what kind of overclocking he'll get into but it's just something to point it.

Also the X48 only really offer full x16 Crossfire over the P45 and since he's using NVIDIA graphics there's no need to spend more on the X48.
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I agree with Imma.....no point in saving $30 and going with a 260 Core 216 when the 280's are available at a such a great price right now!!
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X38 and X48 were built FOR OCing, and he may go ATI if he feels he needs to save some cash. Look at the Rampage Extreme, the Maximus Formula, etc. They were X48 and X38...

Mind you he probably won't be SLIng or CFing so that's another big meh...

And TY for the support RJ, much obliged :D
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X38 and X48 were built FOR OCing, and he may go ATI if he feels he needs to save some cash. Look at the Rampage Extreme, the Maximus Formula, etc. They were X48 and X38...

Mind you he probably won't be SLIng or CFing so that's another big meh...

And TY for the support RJ, much obliged :D
For 45nm Quads, the X38 chipset is utter shit. Even with my DFI X38 and water cooling I could only get my X3350 (Q9450) to 3.5GHz 6h OCCT stable. When I upgraded to my P5Q-E (P45) I was able to get 3.8GHz 100% OCCT stable. Both these were with a D-Tek Fuzion on the CPU and an EK NB/SB-5 on the northbridge. The situation is similar for X48. If course if you get an extreme expensive board (Foxconn Blackops for example, that DFI board is good, but a P5Q-E is cheaper) you will get amazing clocks. But that board is insanely expensive and is unlikely to clock much farther an a decent P45 motherboard. I strongly recommend getting a P45 chipset as it is by far the easiest for overclocking 45nm quads. If you don't believe jdrom and I (both 45nm owners who have used X38s) go look over at XS and you will find that everyone agrees that P45 overclocks are much higher than X38, and at least as good as a X48.
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