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Old September 21, 2008, 11:20 AM
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I am going to build my first computer.
I am wondering what do you think about my choices.
Where did I make overkill?
Where is the bottle neck?
I will appreciate any input.
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Old September 21, 2008, 11:51 AM
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I am going to build my first computer.
I am wondering what do you think about my choices.
Where did I make overkill?
Where is the bottle neck?
I will appreciate any input.
Thanks.
Gregory
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Hm... im a bit of a newb myself, but here are some suggestions:

1) 1000W is a bit overkill, especially if you're not planning on Cross-firing or overclocking. You could probably get by with 700W, or maybe even 600W.

2) Get Vista 64 bit instead, especially because of the quad-core cpu. It will be able to better optimize the useage of your CPU (leading to increased performance), as well as use all 4 GB of RAM (32 bit OS are only capable of using 4gb minus whatever other RAM is used by other componens; like the gfx card. it has 512 mb ram on it, thus only 3.5GB of your installed ram would be able to be used). 64 bit is definitely the way to go.
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Old September 21, 2008, 12:02 PM
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Hm... im a bit of a newb myself, but here are some suggestions:

1) 1000W is a bit overkill, especially if you're not planning on Cross-firing or overclocking. You could probably get by with 700W, or maybe even 600W.

2) Get Vista 64 bit instead, especially because of the quad-core cpu. It will be able to better optimize the useage of your CPU (leading to increased performance), as well as use all 4 GB of RAM (32 bit OS are only capable of using 4gb minus whatever other RAM is used by other componens; like the gfx card. it has 512 mb ram on it, thus only 3.5GB of your installed ram would be able to be used). 64 bit is definitely the way to go.
Few misconceptions here.

1000w is overkill and a 600w is more than enough I agree.

But a 64bit OS isn't going to use your CPU any different than a 32bit OS.

Also due to the OS needing a larger overhead, with only 4gb of memory you don't get much more performance difference out a 64bit vs 32bit OS as 90% of apps are STILL coded in 32bit.
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First of all. Answer the sticky please. It'll greatly help us help you with your parts.

No need for a Corsair HX1000. A Corsair HX620 is more than enough providing that you don't plan to go Crossfire. If you plan for Crossfire, a TX750 is more than enough then.

Overpriced RAM. Get good quality 4GB RAM running at DDR800 for around $90 AR. Corsair, OCZ, Patriot, Mushkin, those are all good. You don't need DDR 1066 RAM.

No need for a VelociRaptor imo. Save your money and get another Seagate 640GB hard drive.

DVD drive is way overpriced. I got my SAMSUNG drive for $30 at NCIX.

Cooling, get the OCZ Vendetta 2 or Xigmatek HDT-S1283.

$600+ for a 24" Dell? Do you really need to spend that much? Samsung 24" are like $300+....

Do you need the floppy drive?

If you're going to spend $30 for that keyboard, spend a bit more and get like a G15 or something. Those are gamer keyboards...

Get 64bit Vista. It'll use all of your 4GB RAM. And 64 bit won't better optimize your CPU. Wonder what Mr. Grunts is talking about..

Sorry if I sound like I'm criticizing your build, but those are just my suggestions.
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First of all. Answer the sticky please. It'll greatly help us help you with your parts.

No need for a Corsair HX1000. A Corsair HX620 is more than enough providing that you don't plan to go Crossfire. If you plan for Crossfire, a TX750 is more than enough then.

Overpriced RAM. Get good quality 4GB RAM running at DDR800 for around $90 AR. Corsair, OCZ, Patriot, Mushkin, those are all good. You don't need DDR 1066 RAM.

No need for a VelociRaptor imo. Save your money and get another Seagate 640GB hard drive.

DVD drive is way overpriced. I got my SAMSUNG drive for $30 at NCIX.

Cooling, get the OCZ Vendetta 2 or Xigmatek HDT-S1283.

$600+ for a 24" Dell? Do you really need to spend that much? Samsung 24" are like $300+....

Do you need the floppy drive?

If you're going to spend $30 for that keyboard, spend a bit more and get like a G15 or something. Those are gamer keyboards...

Get 64bit Vista. It'll use all of your 4GB RAM. And 64 bit won't better optimize your CPU. Wonder what Mr. Grunts is talking about..

Sorry if I sound like I'm criticizing your build, but those are just my suggestions.
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Sorry, i guess i must've misunderstood what someone told me a while ago

But yeah, i'd still reccommend going 64 bit, for the memory usage at the very least.
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Overpriced RAM. Get good quality 4GB RAM running at DDR800 for around $90 AR. Corsair, OCZ, Patriot, Mushkin, those are all good. You don't need DDR 1066 RAM.

DVD drive is way overpriced. I got my SAMSUNG drive for $30 at NCIX.

$600+ for a 24" Dell? Do you really need to spend that much? Samsung 24" are like $300+....
RAM: Maybe he wants to OC? It's $110 after MIR which isn't too bad for a 4GB kit and the Dominators have a pretty good reputation.

DVD: The one he linked is retail which is why it's expensive. Sure he can get an OEM one but maybe for some reason he doesn't?

Monitor: That Dell uses a S-IPS panel which has superior colour reproduction and viewing angles in comparison to the "cheap" Samsung models. Those cheap 24" LCDs all use TN panels.

Otherwise the rest of your advice was good.
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First of Get the COSMOS S over the Cosmos 1000 if you want to see a review of the COSMOS S check it out in the members review section. If your going to be spending 200 dollars on a case might as well get the best of its line. And the COSMOS S has a nice setup for water should you choose to go down that path, and plenty of cooling.
Coolermaster Cosmos S Non-XSPC review on a Watercooling build

Btw whichever one of these cases you do buy id suggest buying 120mm fans to replace the ones that come with the case as i found them to make a really weird noise so if you have some Tri cools for example or Noctua's if your not into sound would be an awesome blend.


Second pick up some Mushkin Ascents DDR2 is what i would suggest or even OCZ their a lot cheaper.

Third get the OCZ Vendetta 2 not that the Zalman is bad i have 3 of them 2 on my brothers and one on my cousins its just the fan on high speed is just wayyyyy too loud if sound is a concern to you then id suggest another cooler. The Ocz Vendetta is a great choice for the rest Geokilla has hit the mark anyways Welcome to the Forum.
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First of all, thank you all for replying and for your advise.
I want to use this computer at least for the next 5 years.
My budget is 2500-3000 for everything: monitor, hardware, software.
I want to use it for: internet, little office work, video editing, picture editing, watching movie and some games – I am not really crazy about games but want to try it and my kids 4 and 9 will love to play too.
Overclocking – I am willing to learn how to do that.
I put my trust in: Intel, Asus, ATI.
This project is a bit of a challenge for me.
All of you agree that 1000 W is overkill – I will go with 750 W and will be ready for: crossfire, additional fans, raid etc.

"Get 64bit Vista"– it was my first choice but I change my mind after reading article: http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/10/16/64-bit_more_than_just_the_ram/1
I think, I will go with Vista 64bit.

"Overpriced RAM. Get good quality 4GB RAM running at DDR800 for around $90 AR. Corsair, OCZ, Patriot, Mushkin, those are all good. You don't need DDR 1066 RAM.
No need for a VelociRaptor imo. Save your money and get another Seagate 640GB hard drive.
Cooling, get the OCZ Vendetta 2 or Xigmatek HDT-S1283
$600+ for a 24" Dell? Do you really need to spend that much? Samsung 24" are like $300"
Hey, my bottom line will look much better with that. J

"DVD drive is way overpriced. I got my SAMSUNG drive for $30 at NCIX."
It’s only $30 more. I have Samsung SH-S183L – problems with firmware.

"Do you need the floppy drive?"
Yes, I need it for installing drivers

Thank you all for your support.
I will post updated hardware list soon.






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I think that by getting 64 bit OSes you're both helping nudge the industry forward in that direction (which is good, albeit how little you affect it), as well as moderately future-proof your PC a bit (as the market is moving to 64-bit as a mainstay).
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