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Old June 28, 2009, 07:30 PM
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Have you seen or ever used a NEC LCD2490WUXi or LCD2690WUXi? The ones WITH the AW-T Polarizer, or even the WUXi2's or LCD2090WUXi without? You'll change your tune when you use one of the NEC's I listed above, they use medical grade H-IPS panels and BOY, are the some of the most beautiful LCD's Ive seen in my LIFE.
LOL - no I haven't used those 2 - I know Samsung has a new multi led LCD out, but it's a little over my budget at $5800 ! LOL

I'll check the specs on the NEC - but what i'm worried about is that whenever you have the good monitors with better color accuracy, it is at the cost of latency, therefore making them crap for video and gaming........I guess this is why the cheap shit TN panels are sold so much - low latency, but crap everything else ! I wish there were something as good as the high-end IPS with the high response :D

edit: Ok Checked the specs ont he NEC, are you kidding me, is this a joke ? The specs are absolutely crap - medical grade ??? 800:1 typ, 69% color gamut - uhh am I missing something here ? I've seen cheaper monitors with higher gamuts and better contrast....... I'll pass! Steep too.
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Old June 29, 2009, 05:38 AM
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Hey Darkstar I'll sell you my 36" CRT TV if you don't like LCD so much. I am making the switch to LCD.

What you don't understand is that you don't need the perfect LCD monitor to do simple things like Office apps, surfing the web and other small things. You do, however, need an LCD monitor that has a high colour gamut for image editing and detailed work. You don't need a TV with a high colour gamut to watch movies and games because the colours are always changing on every frame.

If you really are that picky then you better take good care of that CRT, because it'll eventually burn out, just like any electronic device. I've been really happy with my Samsung 226BW even though it's a TN panel. YES, you don't get the greatest viewing angles and 100% of the colour gamut, but what you do get is great little monitor that can play games with great colour quality at a great price. I spend my time in front of the monitor, not the side, and the 2ms is just a marketing gimmick. I'd be just as happy with 5ms or 8ms because the ghosting problem has been reduced substantially over the years.
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Old June 29, 2009, 06:05 AM
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LOL - no I haven't used those 2 - I know Samsung has a new multi led LCD out, but it's a little over my budget at $5800 ! LOL

I'll check the specs on the NEC - but what i'm worried about is that whenever you have the good monitors with better color accuracy, it is at the cost of latency, therefore making them crap for video and gaming........I guess this is why the cheap shit TN panels are sold so much - low latency, but crap everything else ! I wish there were something as good as the high-end IPS with the high response :D

edit: Ok Checked the specs ont he NEC, are you kidding me, is this a joke ? The specs are absolutely crap - medical grade ??? 800:1 typ, 69% color gamut - uhh am I missing something here ? I've seen cheaper monitors with higher gamuts and better contrast....... I'll pass! Steep too.
You obviously don't fully understand LCD display technology. Higher gamut and contrast ratios are not always best, too many tricks(such as glossy, ugh) to make the specs look better on paper on cheaper LCD's. Also I will say it again, you must see them in person, they are beautiful displays. Also, while I personally *prefer* sRGB(76% gamut) whenever possible, where the hell are you seeing that 69% anyways? The 24wuxi is 76% RGB gamut, the 26wuxi is 91% RGB gamut, and the 30wuxi is 97.8% RGB gamut.

Your right about the fact that there are many cheaper monitors with better specs, but better specs(on paper) do not mean a better looking monitor, there's way more to a LCD monitor than just contrast ratio, colour gamut, and etc, polarizers for one.

Its not always about specs, using that ideology then a Pentium 4 3.06GHz should beat the i7 920 hands down in single thread applications, a 4870/90 are around 5 times faster than a GTX295, a cellphone with a 10 megapixel sensor will take better pictures than a Nikon D40 with a 6 megapixel sensor, and etc. I could go on, Wide Gamut is just one example when it comes to displays, never take just specs at face value.

Take any other IPS monitor, no matter what the specs on paper say, put it next to a NEC LCDxx90WUXi and it(the NEC) will blow it(the other monitor) away, guaranteed.

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Hey Darkstar I'll sell you my 36" CRT TV if you don't like LCD so much. I am making the switch to LCD.
I have no need for it - thanks - I already have TV CRTs, and 2 flatscreen PC monitors (CRTs) One a Samsung and another a Viewsonic Professional Series - Once those 2 CRTs go bad I will have no choice.

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What you don't understand is that you don't need the perfect LCD monitor to do simple things like Office apps, surfing the web and other small things. You do,
lol - exactly - Even a cheap crap TN panel is quite suffice. THat's the point - I don't use my computer for ONLY that, and by the type of members here, I'm sure most don't either - I use it for gaming, I use it for work, I do a lot of video editing, authoring, graphics work, color correction, etc......

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however, need an LCD monitor that has a high colour gamut for image editing and detailed work. You don't need a TV with a high colour gamut to watch movies and games because the colours are always changing on every frame.
Problem is - a computer monitor with higher gammut costs you speed, are not good for gaming - and those that have low latency are bad for graphics and color accuracy - you can't get both.

Then there is the issue of native resolution on LCD - anything outside native = blurry crap.

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If you really are that picky then you better take good care of that CRT, because it'll eventually burn out, just like any electronic device. I've been really happy with my
You would be surprised at how long some of my CRTs have lasted - I hand pick them when I buy - I don't buy just any cheap model. The CRTs don't really "BURN OUT", most of the failures of CRT are power related (flyback transformers, power supply, alignments, etc.....) and CAN be repaired, but most people don't bother because of cost anyways......... It's not fair to have a GOOD graphics card and a monitor that DITHERS tos imulate 24bit, that's what's done on TN panels, if I go with IPS, I would get true 16.7, but high latency not suitable for gaming.

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Samsung 226BW even though it's a TN panel. YES, you don't get the greatest viewing angles and 100% of the colour gamut, but what you do get is great little monitor that can play games with great colour quality at a great price. I spend my time in front of the monitor, not the side, and the 2ms is just a marketing gimmick. I'd be just as happy with 5ms or 8ms because the ghosting problem has been reduced substantially over the years.
Substancially but not completly - it's still there..... the 2ms, etc, all GIMMICKS indeed, most people don't know a thing about how LCD work and what is Gray-to-Gray, etc. so they say WOW 2ms WOW! :D

The only thing that could have really replaced CRT is SED......Maybe one of those days multi-LED LCDs will replace current single backlight and it will be a step higher than current LCDs......... Samsungs new TV LCD with multiled sure rivals any CRT for TV viewing - but I don't have $6000 to spend on a bloody TV! LOL I hope eventually to see computer monitors like that in the $1000 range.
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Old June 29, 2009, 12:30 PM
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Lol bashing the best panel you can get for $200 (at the time). Is it perfect, no. Is it 1000x better than any other 22" panel out there for similar price, yes. That's all this is about. If you want to be a monitor snob and bash a $200 screen for not being up to your standards go ahead... but it makes you look silly. :P
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I understand - that is not the point - the point is companies with their marketing hype and over exageration on their specs :) Price has nothing to do, even the more expensive LCDs don't hold up to a CRT monitor costing less. Do I have to spend $6000 on that new Samsung multi-LED LCD so I can get the SAME performance as my Viewsonic Pro series that cost me $590 back then ? That is ridiculous......... :) What really bothers me is the lack of honesty and borderline scamming of companies using cheap crap TN panels and making big bogus claims about quality of their products - ASUS has done it, Viewsonic, etc, and their LCDs are junk basically - companies advertize all sorts of gadgets, clearmotiv, smoothtouch, fastresponse, etc, but it all comes down to the same thing - crap panels.

I'm sure there is still a market for CRT monitors out there - how come it's impossible to find ANY CRT anywhere now..........not even on special order....... I know a year or two ago, Viewsonic still made CRT.......now there is nothing.
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