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Old May 1, 2010, 05:46 PM
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The fact you cant understand that other peeps might actually want a 2k laptop even though a 800 will do perfectly and yet are not fools underscores my point perfectly about elitism. For some users who DO game (once again outside your narrow perview of what is right and proper and how a computer "should" be used) and are away from home, thus only have access to one system....why not. Sounds justified to me. I know you cant game for crap on Apple OSX...so is it a case of envy that your 1k system couldn't do it even if you wanted it to?

You are the one who called them stupid for thinking differently then yourself and I am the one who pointed out to you how arrogant and elitist that is. I know I suffer from that too when it comes to Apple as I think its foolish to pay more for a Mac then the comparable PC....but at least I am honest about it.

I was comparing retail to retail. Once again....your math is either off or your assumptions on cost of OSX vs Windows are.

Did you pay more for your retail car then making your own? Did you make your own washing machine or pay more for a retail one? Not everyone has an interest or desire to become a mechanic or electrician...why expect them to become computer experts just so they can use a tool. That does not make them fools that simply makes them peeps with different interests then you. Once again saying otherwise is elitist.

Honestly at this point I am leaving this conversation as you are either trolling or unwilling to see anyone else's side but your own and have yet to actually have any meaningful input on this thread.

As for myself sneakysnake....I think based on your POV and arguments I may give a hackingtosh a go. TY for your well reasoned and valuable input. My lack of understanding did hinder my POV with regards to OS X and their users :)
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Old May 1, 2010, 05:54 PM
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How much have you used OS X ?
Plenty of times. I read a lot of documentation about OSX and have read a good dozen of books on the subject either about FreeBSD (from the kernel programming to network security) and a few other more general books about BSD 'itself'.

It's maybe to much info for a simple question, but that will take all your doubts about my potential incompetence and lack of knowledge about what I am talking about like a few around here might think...

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The fact you cant understand that other peeps might actually want a 2k laptop even though a 800 will do perfectly and yet are not fools underscores my point perfectly about elitism. For some users who DO game (once again outside your narrow perview of what is right and proper and how a computer "should" be used) and are away from home, thus only have access to one system....why not. Sounds justified to me. I know you cant game for crap on Apple OSX...so is it a case of envy that your 1k system couldn't do it even if you wanted it to?

You are the one who called them stupid for thinking differently then yourself and I am the one who pointed out to you how arrogant and elitist that is. I know I suffer from that too when it comes to Apple as I think its foolish to pay more for a Mac then the comparable PC....but at least I am honest about it.

I was comparing retail to retail. Once again....your math is either off or your assumptions on cost of OSX vs Windows are.

Did you pay more for your retail car then making your own? Did you make your own washing machine or pay more for a retail one? Not everyone has an interest or desire to become a mechanic or electrician...why expect them to become computer experts just so they can use a tool. That does not make them fools that simply makes them peeps with different interests then you. Once again saying otherwise is elitist.

Honestly at this point I am leaving this conversation as you are either trolling or unwilling to see anyone else's side but your own and have yet to actually have any meaningful input on this thread.

As for myself sneakysnake....I think based on your POV and arguments I may give a hackingtosh a go. TY for your well reasoned and valuable input. My lack of understanding did hinder my POV with regards to OS X and their users :)
For the people who had a 1-2k$ laptop I am saying also that all of them who had a macbook except one didn't actually need it for our classes. Gamers had their Dell and the lil hipsterish kids had their macbooks and were not actually gamers.
IMO it's a waste of money for the use they actually did with it considering that most of them had already a gaming computer at home and just wanted to game in the clasess. Useful eh?

I'm not calling people stupid, I'm calling people ignorant (read better). Not the "you ignorant pc users blabla" you usually hear from Apple fan because jobs said to say so; ignorant as it's real dictionary definition.
I still think calling me an elitist is overstating, though it's your opinion.

For 7, what is the lowest price you saw the OS? Here it's about 120$ so my 1/4 was right, but I might be wrong on the real price.

Once again, I don't think people are fools. Ignorant will be the biggest I will say about them. Uninformed being the best term I can find.

I understand your opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. That's why it's your/my opinion and we don't have to agree with each other. I really like the thread so far and I don't see why you would think that you 'need' to leave o.O
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For vista not being "that" bad with SP*, read above what I said about SP being. From day one being a better OS than XP? I will let other people comment on that as I find that claim completely ridiculous
Obviously you didn't use XP when it was first released, because compared to Vista, it was a complete trainwreck. However, even compared to XP SP2, Vista RTM was still a good OS. You, as a self-proclaimed Windows hater, really have no business giving your opinion on that matter since I very much doubt that you have any significant experience with using Vista, let alone pre-SP1 Vista.
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Obviously you didn't use XP when it was first released, because compared to Vista, it was a complete trainwreck. However, even compared to XP SP2, Vista RTM was still a good OS. You, as a self-proclaimed Windows hater, really have no business giving your opinion on that matter since I very much doubt that you have any significant experience with using Vista, let alone pre-SP1 Vista.
Well I used to work as a windows debugger and troubleshooter in a small company for a while to pay my university fee... so for having experience with that OS and with the number of time I whined and sweared after the weirdest problem I saw from that creature, I think that again, you underestimated me.
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As for myself sneakysnake....I think based on your POV and arguments I may give a hackingtosh a go. TY for your well reasoned and valuable input. My lack of understanding did hinder my POV with regards to OS X and their users :)
Thanks for the great discussion, I learned quite a bit! If you do give hackintosh a go could you let me know how it goes? It's very tempting to sell my macbook and just dual boot my PC.
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Well I used to work as a windows debugger and troubleshooter in a small company for a while to pay my university fee... so for having experience with that OS and with the number of time I whined and sweared after the weirdest problem I saw from that creature, I think that again, you underestimated me.
I think that again, you're pretending to have more knowledge and experience than you actually have. I have no doubt that if what you are saying is not an outright fabrication, it is at the very least an exaggeration.
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Thanks for the great discussion, I learned quite a bit! If you do give hackintosh a go could you let me know how it goes? It's very tempting to sell my macbook and just dual boot my PC.
Sure will do. Might be a while as it is down on my list of things to do...and I do have a major testbed upgrade to go through first. :)
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Well there are some things I just absolutely love about Mac AkG. One is how mac manages files. Installing games or programs on a Mac is so much better than windows in many ways. Plus it installs it in just one location. With windows at least for games it installs something in program files, my documents, and in appdata folder. Mac just in one area and to uninstall just delete the program icon in the applications folder.

Also from my brothers experience it is slightly faster to run games like Starcraft 2 beta in Mac than Windows 7. So maybe Mac OSX is a bit faster for comparable software and hardware.

There are some things that iWork does better than Microsoft Word.

Love the photo booth app to keep kids busy for hours.

The default Chess game on Mac is pretty cool as you can just talk to move the pecies around.

iPhoto is one of the best photo managing apps out there and it is deafult.

Editing videos on Mac is so easy with the default iMovie or even better with final cut studio.

There are many other cool things.

I think Mac OSX is a great OS and currently it is nearly impossible to get a virus unless you are trying to get one. So that part is true. So for total idiots like some people in my family that get a virus almost every week. I don't know what sites they are visiting but it is like clock work for when they get a virus. So they could use a Mac as that would eliminate that problem. I don't know how they do it but maybe they visit infectmypc.com every week or something.
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maybe they visit infectmypc.com every week or something.
http://www.infectmypc.com/

Try the link, it's actually kind of funny. And no, it won't actually infect your PC.
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I think Mac OSX is a great OS and currently it is nearly impossible to get a virus unless you are trying to get one. So that part is true. So for total idiots like some people in my family that get a virus almost every week. I don't know what sites they are visiting but it is like clock work for when they get a virus. So they could use a Mac as that would eliminate that problem. I don't know how they do it but maybe they visit infectmypc.com every week or something.
Well it is possible to get a virus for OSX, but most big virus and rootkits are simply not allowed to run on the OS. Yay for signed binaries checking.
In the nice PC world, I think the thing that makes me laugh the most is the people actually falling for fake anti-virus like Security Tools or something like that. It's priceless


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I think that again, you're pretending to have more knowledge and experience than you actually have. I have no doubt that if what you are saying is not an outright fabrication, it is at the very least an exaggeration.
Well this part is up to you to believe or not. You have the choice to call me a liar by simple frustration or think 5 seconds and realize that you actually don't know me and I'm maybe the opposite of what you are thinking. But this is off topic...
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