Chimp Challenge 2012 rules discussion thread

[BrainEater]

Yep standard 'bracket racing' issues.

I'll fold .I will say again we need to look into drag racing as an example.

[sswilson]

No matter what we do, I'll be in. Won't be a huge increase from me this year, but I've got some kit on the way for at least one more fairly decent SMP folder (pretty sure 920's don't get to do bigadv any more so it'll be just an extra 10K+), and I might be convinced to throw a 4850 into the mix just for the extra 3 - 4K PPD I might be able to squeeze out of it.... ;)

[SugarJ]

Steve, if you get it under water and to 4.1 Ghz, it does 25k PPD on SMP units. Leave the -bigadv flag on, you get the occasional gift still.

[sswilson]

Damn!!! that's pretty decent SMP scores!!!!! :)

I might just hold off on swapping out my kit until after the CC so that I can benefit from both the SMP on this, and the GPU WUs from my SLI cards.

[Adak]

I dislike the "use the best two weeks of the year" for the team handicap basis, because:

1) It means someone has to go through each teams yearly two week totals. That's just busy work that should be avoided, although a program could do it quickly. Still, someone has to work that data up, and who knows if it's correct or not?

2) It means teams that work together, (like HWC and NCS), can't be handled fairly. Either you get a large extra benefit by dropping the contribution of NCS from your handicap (because HWC points wouldn't include NCS points in the figures of #1 above), or you get a large penalty because NCS team points were added to yours, but only part of the NCS team came over to race with you.

Either way, it's inequitable.

The CC is the CC, and no one can claim that a team's performance is being treated unfairly, when it's ONLY being compared to *their own* team CC performance, from last year.

Get the basis from their performance in the past years CC - now it's simple, and no matter what part of what team, folds with whatever part of another team in the CC, it's all rolled up and fair to everyone.

That also has a nice evening effect - the team that races VERY well one year, will have a higher basis for next year, which makes it tend to "fall back", and make the race more competitive. This is similar to what the NFL does with draft picks, and for the same reason - makes the games much more competitive.

Two brackets should be ideal - unlimited and handicap.

Not have a CC? That's just wrong. If EVGA doesn't get the rules they want and decide not to race, that doesn't mean the CC can't go ahead.

We just need simple and fair rules. Complex rules, unenforceable rules, and unfair rules should all be thrown out.

I recall a couple years back when OC.com did not get their data read at the start of the CC, due to some error or other, getting the data feed. So they took our points from two or three hours later, and made that number our starting points for the race. Very nicely removing about two million points from our team, because they were too lazy to get the right number or do a little arithmetic and extrapolate something close.

That's the kind of stuff, that kills the fun of a race. Simple and fair rules are all you need, and that's all you want for a good race.

[chrisk]

We have two problems right now in the captain's forum folks.

1. Looks like there are a couple of teams that cannot come to an agreement on a system. I have tried to pass our suggestions along, but have remained as flexible as possible.

2. Not all teams are chiming in. Xavier and Zodac have done an admirable job of trying to get folks talking.

How would folks feel about a straight-up points race? Not saying I am for it, but it was suggested as time runs out to pick a system.

[Inik]

I'll just fold no matter what system we agree on :)

[CoolHandL]

simple as possible. man my landlord is going to hate me when i bring back my 3 quad cores for CC, right now i can only run the 2P 24/7 folder (average 90k PPD), but CC is a special time where power consumption is out the window (unless of course we are penalized for holding back machines......?

[stoanee]

Originally Posted by chrisk

We have two problems right now in the captain's forum folks.

1. Looks like there are a couple of teams that cannot come to an agreement on a system. I have tried to pass our suggestions along, but have remained as flexible as possible.

2. Not all teams are chiming in. Xavier and Zodac have done an admirable job of trying to get folks talking.

How would folks feel about a straight-up points race? Not saying I am for it, but it was suggested as time runs out to pick a system.

In order to save the Chimps I say we do it.

[chrisk]

Originally Posted by stoanee

In order to save the Chimps I say we do it.

This is my feeling. There is no way we can win a straight-up points race, but I really want this contest to run this year. I do think it does promote folding, and is a lot of fun throwing monkey poo around.