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Old October 21, 2007, 12:12 AM
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Unfortunately I'm just browsing right now. I won't be getting the monitor till Christmas. My wife is buying it for me.
Well, look at $300 - $350 monitors now because they'll be $250ish come Christmas time ...
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Old October 21, 2007, 03:00 AM
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I found an interesting article with a very interesting point.

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Do not get carried away with big contrast numbers - the eye dynamic response is the limiting factor.
Similarly important is the fact that the presence of even a minimal amount of ambient light would make a home theater projector with a high contrast ratio rating behave the same as one with a much lower rating.
Therefore, opt for a high contrast projector or display (typically 2000:1), only as long as you can view the image in a light controlled room; you need to view the image in a completely darkened room to be able to perceive the marginal difference between a 2000:1 and a 500:1 contrast ratio. Otherwise paying extra for a high contrast ratio projector or monitor would be waste of money since in moderate ambient light conditions such as a living room, anything higher than 500:1 would not be perceivable by the eye.
Here is the article: The Contrast Ratio Game: Playing with Numbers
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Old October 21, 2007, 08:22 AM
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Ok so basically that article suggests the specs of the Samsung 22" widescreen on the Futureshop site aren't true? What the hell -_-

That is a nice monitor though, my friends dad has the exact same one I think and he's some kind of PC technician

So lame I can't even rely on the manufacturer specs to be correct... how pathetically sad is that. Although I Can't say I'm surprised

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Ok so basically that article suggests the specs of the Samsung 22" widescreen on the Futureshop site aren't true? What the hell -_-

That is a nice monitor though, my friends dad has the exact same one I think and he's some kind of PC technician

So lame I can't even rely on the manufacturer specs to be correct... how pathetically sad is that. Although I Can't say I'm surprised
The acticle is not saying that the manufacturer's specs aren't true, they are true for when the manufacturer tested the system under their condition (pitch black room) which it is unlikely that you will be in a completely pitch black room. According to the article the human eye cannot tell the difference between 500:1 and 2000:1 contrast ration if there is any ambient light in the room. Also any refresh time under 8ms the human eye cannot pick up. Remember big numbers sell and seeing how computers and TV's are geared towards guys most of us have Tim "Toolman" Taylor mentallaity where the bigger and faster the better, manufacturers play on this.

The best advice I got when shopping for a monitor is like buying speakers, you can read all the reviews till you are blue in the face and they will help you narrow down your choice and what to look for, but you should also go in and take a look at the monitor or listen to the speakers and get what looks good to you. After all it's your eyes that will be viewing it. And if you can find a better price on that same monitor somewhere else then order for the better price, then you know what you are going to receive.
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FYI, I said the same thing like 19 posts ago ...
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The first thing you should do is throw those assumptions about response time and contrast ratio out the window. IPS panels have the worst response times (typically 16 ms) and contrast ratios (typically <500:1) of any of the 3 major panel types, but have the best image quality by far
As for the article, a lot of people do game in the dark, so the ambient light thing isn't true for everyone. However, I would say that panel uniformity and backlight bleeding (or lack thereof) is much more important than contrast ratio.

I've also found response time is a completely useless spec. My monitor has a 16 ms rated response time and I can't notice any ghosting for the life of me. However, I have used a lot of other monitors which are rated much lower and I can see ghosting.
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Another thing to keep an eye on when purchasing a LCD display is the inclusion of cables.

My understanding is that most "combo" (both analog and digital inputs) LCD units ship with only the VGA cable leaving you to purchase the DVI cable yourself.

Samsung ships with both..... :)
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A lot of monitors do ... The only ones that don't, in my experience, are LG, HP, and BenQ ... Samsung didn't include the DVI cable last year for all of the models we carried, but they started to do that this year.

I don't really consider it a big deal because you can pick up a DVI cable off NCIX for like $10 ...
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So I went to Futureshop tonight and took at look at the monitors and I was really impressed with the LG 21.6" L22WT-BF Widescreen, the colour was really bright and the picture was nice and crisp as wel I did not see any bleeding along the edges. I actually found the brightness and colour was better than the Samsung 226BW 22" Widescreen.
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My experience: I purchased an Acer 20" Widescreen LCD off of Ebay, brand new in the box for $150 (shipping incl) about 6 months ago. I realize the site is not the most comfortable shopping experience for some people, but it wasn't a problem for me and I really like it. I also have a Dell 20.1" monitor, and let me tell you that brightness does make a difference.

I like my Dell 20.1" for word processing, because of the "taller" screen, and I like the Acer 20" widescreen for gaming/entertainment, particularly because it has a faster response, brightness and contrast. The Acer is on at "the shop from the time after the present" for $210. (when I saw that, I laughed so hard. I forget who said it so I apologize for not giving proper reference).

Ultimately reviews are meaningless if you don't like the way the screen looks in person...
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Old October 26, 2007, 03:42 AM
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Why does everybody love brightness so much? I have the brightness turned all the way down on my Dell monitor. At default settings, I feel like I'm squinting into a lightbulb.
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