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Old October 31, 2017, 08:47 AM
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I think a lot of us are feeling that same way Shadowmeph. I have been wanting to upgrade my 4790K, yes more for fun than requirement, but unless a game comes out that really REALLY shows a tangible benefit from running greater than 4C/8T I just can't seem to get myself there financially and this article didn't help any!!

About the only other thing I could do is maybe faster SSDs (although one is pretty new) but even that isn't going to be a tangible performance benefit that I would see in every day gaming experience. Plus my motherboard has M.2 support, but single slot and shares bandwidth with SATAExpress slot. So to go to faster non-SATA SSDs would require a board upgrade that would lead to the CPU upgrade, but again - expensive changes for how much every day performance change?

Sheesh this forum makes it hard to foolishly spend your money!
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Old October 31, 2017, 08:53 AM
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I think a lot of us are feeling that same way Shadowmeph. I have been wanting to upgrade my 4790K, yes more for fun than requirement, but unless a game comes out that really REALLY shows a tangible benefit from running greater than 4C/8T I just can't seem to get myself there financially and this article didn't help any!!

About the only other thing I could do is maybe faster SSDs (although one is pretty new) but even that isn't going to be a tangible performance benefit that I would see in every day gaming experience. Plus my motherboard has M.2 support, but single slot and shares bandwidth with SATAExpress slot. So to go to faster non-SATA SSDs would require a board upgrade that would lead to the CPU upgrade, but again - expensive changes for how much every day performance change?

Sheesh this forum makes it hard to foolishly spend your money!
Be careful what you wish for.......

Apparently Ubisoft is attempting to push the gaming limits of a 4C/8T processor by doubling up on the DRM in Assassin's Creed Origins.

https://www.pcper.com/news/General-T...l-DRM-revealed
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Old October 31, 2017, 09:01 AM
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Here is a link to a video by a channel called Digital Foundry. They use a OC Titan X Pascal, I presume to remove the GPU bottleneck at 1080. The focus of the video is to compare the different CPU generations when they are overclocked. Their game choices were also different (other than The Witcher 3) but you can see that the newer the CPU the greater the frame rate.

In the end when the question is "Do you NEED to upgrade?" The answer is probably No. But if the question is "Do you WANT to upgrade?" The answer is going to be ALWAYS! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHUfSIdyIfw&t=
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Old October 31, 2017, 09:20 AM
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Basically if you are building new this is a good route. If you have a system from the last 5 years money can be spent elsewhere.
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Old October 31, 2017, 09:39 AM
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Here is a link to a video by a channel called Digital Foundry. They use a OC Titan X Pascal, I presume to remove the GPU bottleneck at 1080. The focus of the video is to compare the different CPU generations when they are overclocked. Their game choices were also different (other than The Witcher 3) but you can see that the newer the CPU the greater the frame rate.

In the end when the question is "Do you NEED to upgrade?" The answer is probably No. But if the question is "Do you WANT to upgrade?" The answer is going to be ALWAYS! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHUfSIdyIfw&t=
The point of the article is that MOST people are bottlenecked by their GPU's these days, resulting in not needing to keep up with the latest CPU tech. But if you're the kind of person who shells out the $$$ for a Titan XP, you're probably not running 6 year old architecture. You're likely paying to be on the bleeding edge every year, just because.

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Be careful what you wish for.......

Apparently Ubisoft is attempting to push the gaming limits of a 4C/8T processor by doubling up on the DRM in Assassin's Creed Origins.

https://www.pcper.com/news/General-T...l-DRM-revealed
Huh, I didn't know that. I hope the FX8350 I bought for my son to play this specific game will be enough. It's not like I had much of another choice.

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Old October 31, 2017, 10:13 AM
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Be careful what you wish for.......

Apparently Ubisoft is attempting to push the gaming limits of a 4C/8T processor by doubling up on the DRM in Assassin's Creed Origins.

https://www.pcper.com/news/General-T...l-DRM-revealed
That's not exactly what I was wishing for! I was more thinking about Star Citizen using more cores as they claim it will in future. But that Ubisoft one is nasty. Consider too that even if you have a CPU with the necessary power, if it prefers a VM for the DRM but you don't have the capability enabled on your PC (I ran into that thinking it was on by default in my BIOS) you could run into trouble. Who thinks up this stuff anyway?!

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Here is a link to a video by a channel called Digital Foundry. They use a OC Titan X Pascal, I presume to remove the GPU bottleneck at 1080. The focus of the video is to compare the different CPU generations when they are overclocked. Their game choices were also different (other than The Witcher 3) but you can see that the newer the CPU the greater the frame rate.

In the end when the question is "Do you NEED to upgrade?" The answer is probably No. But if the question is "Do you WANT to upgrade?" The answer is going to be ALWAYS! :)
I am all too often in this category!! My daughter is still happily playing Minecraft and other similar games on my i7 920 and GTX 670 at 1440p. Not saying I would still be happy with that system now but in a lot of cases it is still a capable gaming PC.
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Be careful what you wish for.......

Apparently Ubisoft is attempting to push the gaming limits of a 4C/8T processor by doubling up on the DRM in Assassin's Creed Origins.

https://www.pcper.com/news/General-T...l-DRM-revealed
Nah even uber-sod.... err UbiSoft is not that stupid. It was FUD. Its using Deno' 4.8. Still a buggy POS game... aka UberSoft bog standard game.

Denuvo is on life support. Their claim to fame is extending the pirate free sales window 1-2 weeks. Now its an average of 5 to 6 days (IIRC recent record is 4 days). No sane company will use v6 in its current form as the lost sales and bad press outweigh extending the sales window.... and v5 is cracked meaning their sales team had better spin stray into gold if they want to stick around long enough for CPU horsepower to catch up with the demands their v6 requires!
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Old October 31, 2017, 11:17 AM
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Nah even uber-sodomy.... err UbiSoft is not that stupid. It was FUD. Its using Deno' 4.8. Still a buggy POS game... aka UberSoft bog standard game.

Denuvo is on life support. Their claim to fame is extending the pirate free sales window 1-2 weeks. Now its an average of 5 to 6 days (IIRC recent record is 4 days). No sane company will use v6 in its current form as the lost sales and bad press outweigh extending the sales window.... and v5 is cracked meaning their sales team had better spin stray into gold if they want to stick around long enough for CPU horsepower to catch up with the demands their v6 requires!
Not doubting the validity of it being FUD, but is there a retraction anywhere? I've been keeping an eye out for any change to the story (it was covered so little that it had a bit of an odour about it from the get go) and haven't seen one yet.
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Old October 31, 2017, 11:23 AM
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Retraction... no. Doubtful they ever will officially confirm or deny. But crackers have already taken a look at it and posted pics of what it is and is not. Eg
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/...umor_is_false/
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so intel up to this point was just yanking chains for a 10% to 15% increase from previous chips. i bought a dell xps i7 2600 for $15. i added an ssd drive to it and its blazing fast. this serves me as a back up editing system to my AMD chips which are faster with the right perks.
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