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Old October 31, 2017, 12:51 AM
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Alright....now that I have had a chance to go through everything I have to say 2 things:
1. Thanks for the review SKYMTL! Things like this are extremely interesting and really show the delta in performance over time.
2. The data really says it all. Unless you are going all out on a gaming build, you are still very much best served with GPU upgrades until the CPU can't keep up anymore. For productivity though, optimizations have really moved things along.

I unfortunately finished this review with a desire to know how another step back in CPU would hold up. Could an i5 750/760 feed a gtx 1070? or a 1060? I know you won't want to run all those tests again, but if you ever get the urge I would love to know how something like the original core series do in handling a modern GPU. Even if it was just a couple runs in the in the most CPU limited games you tested (I think this review makes it obvious that it would be slaughtered in productivity).
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Old October 31, 2017, 05:43 AM
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So, no need to upgrade my 3770K, then.

That really sucks for my kid, because he would get my old hardware when I bought new hardware. It's been a few years since I've given him a new platform, simply because mine hasn't needed upgrading.
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Old October 31, 2017, 06:11 AM
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I still say the Q9550 PC I have is plenty capable for most anything. With a SSD inside it is snappy and never lags. I don't play serious games, but the FX-6300 machine I have with a R9 290X has 0 issues with Dirt Rally on all Ultra settings pushing 5760x1080 with 4AA locked on. Never a hiccup.

Manufacturers have been milking gamers for years. They should have been slower releasing new tech as it just was not necessary to push out all the small incremental gains. Hard to blame them though, gamers love throwing thousands of dollars at new parts for that new game every 6-12 months. The whole industry is "in on it", lol.
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Old October 31, 2017, 06:14 AM
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I still say the Q9550 PC I have is plenty capable for most anything. With a SSD inside it is snappy and never lags. I don't play serious games, but the FX-6300 machine I have with a R9 290X has 0 issues with Dirt Rally on all Ultra settings pushing 5760x1080 with 4AA locked on. Never a hiccup.

Manufacturers have been milking gamers for years. They should have been slower releasing new tech as it just was not necessary to push out all the small incremental gains. Hard to blame them though, gamers love throwing thousands of dollars at new parts for that new game every 6-12 months. The whole industry is "in on it", lol.
I will say, the gains in GPU-land have been quite spectacular, and likely worth the money to upgrade every couple of years.

I would never put out $1000+ to upgrade to a 1080TI, but I would consider $300-$500 for a modern mid-range card.

Well, not from the 10xx series, anyway. My 960 is still going strong. But maybe from the next gen of cards.
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Old October 31, 2017, 06:15 AM
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This is good news to hear/find out, at least when it comes to my fiancee's Ivy i5 build. I was leaning towards upgrading her from a GTX 770 to either a GTX 1060 6GB or GTX 1070 without having to upgrade her cpu/motherboard platform too. Additionally, probably could help lower boot times if I replaced her older SSD with a new one.
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This is good news to hear/find out, at least when it comes to my fiancee's Ivy i5 build. I was leaning towards upgrading her from a GTX 770 to either a GTX 1060 6GB or GTX 1070 without having to upgrade her cpu/motherboard platform too. Additionally, probably could help lower boot times if I replaced her older SSD with a new one.
Isnt that just it! This article is really reflective on the state of the majority of PC hardware today. I mean really, how often do we boot computers today (versus sleep mode), and does the incremental advantage really have a noticeable impact?

Its one thing if you need more space sure, get a new one; I've upgraded all my SSD's to 512 in the house. Its an entire other factor if you're looking at the performance benefit of even this gen M2's versus sandforce3 SATA6. Its just not that day to day noticeable, except in certain tasks.
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Isnt that just it! This article is really reflective on the state of the majority of PC hardware today. I mean really, how often do we boot computers today (versus sleep mode), and does the incremental advantage really have a noticeable impact?

Its one thing if you need more space sure, get a new one; I've upgraded all my SSD's to 512 in the house. Its an entire other factor if you're looking at the performance benefit of even this gen M2's versus sandforce3 SATA6. Its just not that day to day noticeable, except in certain tasks.
Dammit I used the wrong word, I meant to say loading times for games, not boot time for the OS. Same thing stands though, better read speeds of a newer SSD would make it so the game loads faster.

I think I have her on one of the older Intel SSDs, 180 GB, it's probably 5+ years old.
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Dammit I used the wrong word, I meant to say loading times for games, not boot time for the OS. Same thing stands though, better read speeds of a newer SSD would make it so the game loads faster.

I think I have her on one of the older Intel SSDs, 180 GB, it's probably 5+ years old.
Maybe we should ask AkG for a similar review, but with SSD's? I'd guess that it would be exponential for long load times, but short load times can only get so fast! 60 seconds with an old Intel 180 might be 40 with a new M2? But it wouldnt be 6 seconds to 4 seconds I bet. Its definitely not going to be linear improvements.

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I feel my path reasonable :) Q9650 8GB -> i7 3770 16GB -> i7 7800X 32GB
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This review just saved me some money I was just debating upgrading my system. My i5 2500k with 480 8g card still runs great playing my games . But I have that dam I want to build a new pic but hehe
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