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Old May 18, 2008, 02:00 AM
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The computer I left for my sister has finally kicked the bucket. She has a backup computer that is a:

celeron D 2.66Ghz
1GB DDR400
intel 965 chipset

This system is pitifully slow, and I want to build her something that is dual-core and much faster, but relatively cheap. Mainly this PC will be used for web browing, email, and office apps. She also watches a lot of movies. She doesn't do any 3D gaming at all right now, but does play 2D games like tibia and zsnes. When starcraft 3 comes out, though, she might play that.

We'll be reusing a 500W OCZ stealthxstream psu, case, and dvd r/w drive. I'll be getting the cheapest seagate sata hd. It'll be running XP home for now, and might need to run vista later.

I've got a few CPUs in mind, but I'm not sure if which is powerful enough. I'm thinking intel, as I've never had any AMD experience, but I'm not opposed to a AMD system since I hear they are cheaper with budget builds. If the power is comparable, I'd go with AMD if it's cheaper

=====CPU======
Here are the procs I'm considering:

Intl Pentium Dual Core E2180 Dual Core Processor LGA775 2.0GHZ 800FSB 1MB Retail Box
$72.98
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...l&promoid=1084

or
Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2200 (2.2 GHz) Dual-Core Socket 775 Processor
$89.95
Anitec.ca - Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2200 (2.2 GHz) Dual-Core Socket 775 Processor

I'm concerned these first two since they aren't core2 duo processors. Should I shell out extra and get this c2d?:

Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 Dual Core Processor LGA775 Conroe 2.4GHZ 800FSB 2MB Retail
$127.98
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26610&vpn=BX80557E4600&manufacture=I ntel&promoid=1084

=====RAM=====
For ram, I'm considering these:

Buffalo Select 2GB 1X2GB PC2-5300 DDR2-667 CL5 240PIN DIMM Memory
$39.99
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...facture=Others

or

Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB 2X1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-18 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory
$49.99
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...R&promoid=1084

How much of a difference is there between DDR2-667 and 800? Is it substantial enough to justify paying extra for mainly web browsing and office apps?

=====MOBO=====
As for mobo, I'm looking at onboard video for now, and when SC2 comes out, I might give her my 9600GT. I really have no clue as to which mobo to get. I'm guessing it's better to get an integrated AMD or nvidia GPU than intel, right? I could really use some advice on a good mobo. Video needs to be dvi output.

Any help is appreciated!
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Old May 18, 2008, 07:26 AM
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I'm sorry to say that I just scrapped an old pci video card (mx220 I think?) which you could have had. My point is, if you can find something like that, it would open up your choices for a mobo considerably. I'll keep looking, just in case the packrat in me tucked it away in another box.
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Old May 18, 2008, 09:07 AM
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for a motherboard you could go with a matx if you want or if you aren't keen on matx boards go for a full atx board.

matx:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...nufacture=ASUS

and no you can get away with pc2-5300 (ddr2-667) memory as there is next to no difference unless you want to overclock the system is when you'd possibly want faster memory.
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Well AMD is probably the cheaper way to go and still have fairly decent performance. You could get something like this:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ EE
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=AMD

Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...cture=Gigabyte

OCZ Platinum XTC REV.2 (if you don't mind rebates, otherwise get the Corsair you listed)
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...Z%20Technology

However, Intel looks pretty close price wise too...

Intel Pentium Dual Core E2180
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...ufacture=Intel

EVGA Nforce E-7150/630I
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...nufacture=eVGA

OCZ Platinum XTC REV.2
(if you don't mind rebates, otherwise get the Corsair you listed)
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...Z%20Technology

And you could always overclock the E2180 slightly as well even with the stock cooling. AMDs don't overclock as easily though.

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Old May 18, 2008, 02:55 PM
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To get better prices, you may "price match" with directcanada.com (if you don't want to try to directly order on their website considering there's a lot of threads talking of problems with directcanada). Personnaly, I had some problems with them but DC_Support, a member of this forum, helped me and I will buy there again because of the prices and the free ground shipping on orders over 300$. In an other way, you may have better choice of "in stock" products on NCIX but even if it is "out of stock" on directcanada they usually accept the price match anyway.

Personnaly, for the use of your sister, I would consider an AMD X2 and a motherboard with the new AMD 780g chipset wich have a really good onboard gpu and have competitive price. The gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H proposed by jdrom17 is a really good choice considering features/quality/price. I'm curently looking for a system for my parents and it will probably be this board I will order.

Here's some links from directcanada:

Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H AMD 780G mATX AM2+ 1PCI-EX 2PCI SATA W/RAID Video Sound GLAN 1394 Motherboard - DirectCanada

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Dual Core Processor AM2 2.3GHZ 2X512KB 65W 65NM Retail Box - DirectCanada

Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-5400C4 2GB 2X1GB PC2-5400 DDR2-667 CL 4-4-4-12 240PIN Dual Channel Memory - DirectCanada

Total : 208.62 + tx shipping incl.

Hope it help ...
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for Ram I could sell you my old ram. I have 1x4 gigs of...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...Z%20Technology
I would be willing to sell it all 4gigs for $45 shipped.
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I'll be honest with you dude, i've got alot of experience with tweeking old systems and i think that her backup computer could probly perform as well as the computer your planning to build for basic tasks like web browsing and office apps. there is absolutely NO need for a multi core cpu for those tasks, you're acutally going to be downgrading by swapping out a 2.66 for a 2ghz c2d. I'd put money down that a fresh install of windows and a few services tweeks would turn the old computer into an web browsing email slinging, word writing wonder machine.
I've got an old amd @ 800 mhz and 512 of ram running windows xp and you cant tell the difference between it and my dual core laptop when browsing the web.

Give the old celly a little tlc and i think the old girl will surprise you
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Thanks. I think I'm going to go with the athlon 4600 and the gigabyte board. Is the 4600 roughly equivalent to a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo? Also, the 90nm versions are on sale. Should I go for the 65nm versions?

And Begolas, thanks for the offer but we're gonna buy new and locally.
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Thanks. I think I'm going to go with the athlon 4600 and the gigabyte board. Is the 4600 roughly equivalent to a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo? Also, the 90nm versions are on sale. Should I go for the 65nm versions?

And Begolas, thanks for the offer but we're gonna buy new and locally.
4600+ is not really close to how fast a 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo (E6600) is...

AMD does not match Core 2 Duos clock for clock.
Some graphs here: X-bit labs - Print version
And Core 2 Duos can be OC'd so easily even on stock cooling, thus giving more performance for free.

I suppose the 65nm would run cooler, but 90nm should be fine still. Not sure if AMD revised anything in the die shrink or not.
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I have heard that there transition to the 65nm process was a bit sketchy and that some CPU's have glitches. The 90nm counterparts run flawlessly.

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