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Honestly, I'm starting to feel like as a gamer there is less and less need to be worried about each new generation. If I was on X58, I'd really want to up, but even a 2600k would be a coin flip of an upgrade for me to go with X99. I love a lot of the features, but it doesn't feel like the software side of things is at the point where I really want a 6 or 8 core CPU and DDR3 still feels like it has plenty of life in it.
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Only time to upgrade is when name become's the standard and DDR4 starts shipping in new high density kits instead of standard we have now wait for 16gb sticks. Then we will see lovely 128Gb system ram as affordable by skylake I hope.
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Honestly, I'm starting to feel like as a gamer there is less and less need to be worried about each new generation. If I was on X58, I'd really want to up, but even a 2600k would be a coin flip of an upgrade for me to go with X99. I love a lot of the features, but it doesn't feel like the software side of things is at the point where I really want a 6 or 8 core CPU and DDR3 still feels like it has plenty of life in it.
The last true "HOLY CRAP" upgrade was the x58 days. Going from a C2Q 6600 to an i7 920 was amazing. Funny enough, in 2007 we got our first quad, and a six core processor (the 980) in 2010. Here we are five years later and we get an 8 core finally.

Now, dont get me wrong. If you do the incremental advantages between the generations you do get a big performance spike per watt. But we're talking a compound 5-10% per generation both on the tick and the tock. This is the 5th generation so we're about 9 chips down the pipe. But seven years later we're looking at a probable 50-100% improvement?

I just did some fact digging for reference:

920 (stock) vs 4770 (stock) is about a 65% improvement in single threaded, and only 45% in multi-threaded.
Intel Core i7-4770K vs i7-920

Heres the kicker: Q6600 vs a 920 was a 39% improvement in single threaded, and 89% in multi-threaded!!!
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 vs Core i7-920

Wow. I didnt realize it was that big a gap. Crazy!
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Great Review!

I think I may get the 4690k combo or maybe the 4790K the price per performance is just too good.
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Disappointed. I looked a a lot of reviews. Sadly it seems most reviewers got the 5960x instead of the more interesting 5930k.

I wish hwc did a 5930k review and did over clocking on it.

Of the reviews on the 5930k that I read, it isn't worth the upgrade. So I may just upgrade to a 4790k.
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DDR4 prices are what is making me stay away. So much more money when ram speed hasn't generally been bottleneck for a long time.
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DDR4 prices are what is making me stay away. So much more money when ram speed hasn't generally been bottleneck for a long time.
That and on a decent mobo you can buy 2600-2800mhz ddr3 mem and OC it to near DDR4 speeds at better timings.

For instance right now I have 2133mhz black momba's @ 2666-11-13-11-30 my guess if you took ddr4 down to 2666 mhz it would likely do not much or any better in timings.

so unless their is some massive hidden performance in ddr4 your right we should wait for much better kits to hit market.
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I also do believe we have hit a point in computing where the Hardware far outshines the software.

until 4k is a refined implementation and a real thing most people use our current hw is plenty.

I was running BF4 last night on Ultra preset on 3 screens @ 60xx X 1080p (cant remember the exact eyefinity rez).

and pretty much holding 90-110 fps steady with my 290x's in Xfire. its way overkill and i prefer playing on just my center screen @ 120hz but thats a example of HW exceeding need and lets face it Ultra is overkill in that game and generally shows lots of unnoticeable graphics increases.

As far as encoding i was always under the impression AMD/Nvidia GPU's were much better at crunching workloads ?

as you can see in my Sig i have pretty much all I7/I5 chips made up to haswell and i can tell you my 7970 Giga has been in all of them and to be honest im not sure i saw a noticeable increase or decrease in performance between those CPU's , keep in mind they are all overclocked but for instance my guest pc was the 920@4.0ghz for awhile with the 7970 in it and i swapped it to the 2500k @ 4.7ghz and i might have gained 5fps at most on that guest pc in games.

either way it wasn't noticeable.

So i agree with the above posters we are definitely not seeing large enough changes Chip to chip to warrent upgrades like we did with the Q6600(which i also own 3 of) and the I7 920-930's.

Either Intel is milking the current architecture waiting for AMD to catch up before releasing something big or like stated we are starting to see the limits of silicon as ZZzsleep said.

that or the limits to this architecture and our current way of doing things.

perhaps DX12 will shake things up in the gaming world.
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I wish hwc did a 5930k review and did over clocking on it.
And we wish we had one!
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And we wish we had one!
It seems like Intel sent pretty much only their super over priced CPU to reviewers. Wish they would have sent out the 2 lower end cpus to various reviewers instead of just one to all reviewers.

I am debating on whether to upgrade or just keep my setup for another generation or 2. I really don't need to change but kinda would like to go matx and a node 804 for a case.
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I mean take for example your typical 2500k/2600k owner from 2011. Imagine now if that CPU were able to get to 5GHz (ex: good luck on silicon lottery). Would that person have any reason to upgrade to Haswell, even with Devil's Canyon? I think not.
I have my 2500k clocked only to 4.0Ghz (can hit 4.6Ghz comfortably on air) and I have no reason to clock higher, let alone upgrade to Haswell. Heck, gamers are still rocking Bloomfield systems and still getting the same frames in most games as Sandy Bridge and newer users.

Intel really hit it out of the park. Over half a decade later AMD is still trying to find out what happened to their pants.
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