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Old January 11, 2014, 12:57 PM
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I just ordered parts for my new build, which centers around an i7-4770K Haswell. Now I'm regretting not going with Ivy Bridge instead. Seems most online agree that while Haswell holds a slight edge in terms of clock per cycle performance, its overclocking potential is significantly worse than that of Ivy due to its heat generation. They all seem to agree that only a select number of chips will be able to reach 4.5GHz on a good cooler such as D14, while Ivy is able to reach 5GHz with ease on the same cooler, all at the same time requiring less power and generates less heat.

So, did I make a mistake going Haswell?

(Let me be clear that I never intended to overclock by much, but I did expect to be able to hit 4.5GHz with the NH-D14 cooler with ease...)
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Old January 11, 2014, 01:06 PM
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Its a silicon Lottery

throw chips down and see what you get.

I never got 5 on my 3770 K. some chips are good some are not so good.
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Old January 11, 2014, 01:12 PM
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Of course then there's i5-4670K. Seems I can get 4.8GHz out of that chip while with i7-4770K I'd be lucky to hit 4.4GHz.

(EDIT: if I'm only gaming then I'd go with i5-4670K for sure. But I also do quite a bit of Photoshop work stitching panoramas and such)...

So, in terms of Photoshop stitching + Gaming, would i5-4670K @ 4.8GHz outshine i7-4770K @ maybe 4.4GHz???
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Old January 11, 2014, 06:24 PM
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Real world performance difference between a few hundred mhz is not going to make much difference to you..
It's always a lottery as to how well your chip will perform but the difference between haswell and ivy are very minimal due to the better per clock performance of haswell.

The i7 should be better with photoshop BUT especially if your only doing light stuff the i5 is plenty capable.
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Old January 11, 2014, 08:34 PM
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If building from scratch I would still go for haswell...I think you made the right call. Sandy bridge OC'd better than ivy, and ivy better than haswell. I would still take the other improvements and newer platform for the minor difference the reduced OC will make (unless you are after getting the fastest ghz, and nothing else).
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If building from scratch I would still go for haswell...I think you made the right call. Sandy bridge OC'd better than ivy, and ivy better than haswell. I would still take the other improvements and newer platform for the minor difference the reduced OC will make (unless you are after getting the fastest ghz, and nothing else).
Someone online made the comment that Intel releases their chips in a tic-toc cycle, where every tic is a noticeable architectural improvement and the toc is a minor clock improvement. He said Ivy Bridge is the tic in this case, and Haswell is just a toc so he's skipping it entirely.

I guess for me it doesn't matter since I'm still running an i5-750...lol
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Of course then there's i5-4670K. Seems I can get 4.8GHz out of that chip while with i7-4770K I'd be lucky to hit 4.4GHz.

(EDIT: if I'm only gaming then I'd go with i5-4670K for sure. But I also do quite a bit of Photoshop work stitching panoramas and such)...

So, in terms of Photoshop stitching + Gaming, would i5-4670K @ 4.8GHz outshine i7-4770K @ maybe 4.4GHz???
The overclocks would make almost negliblie difference.
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Old January 11, 2014, 11:13 PM
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The main issue with haswell heat is the cheap assed thermal compound that they come with. You could always delid your chip by removing the IHS and replace the thermal compound. Huge difference in temps.
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The main issue with haswell heat is the cheap assed thermal compound that they come with. You could always delid your chip by removing the IHS and replace the thermal compound. Huge difference in temps.
Agreed, but at the risk of making your CPU more useless then a rock.
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Old January 12, 2014, 12:09 PM
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differences are such
in a stock state 4770 vs 3770, 4770 wins, better ipc, better power use, better temps though this "edge" is slight
when overclocked 3770 wins as they have a good 200-400Mhz+ advantage, better power use by far when overclocked, and far better temps when pushed quite hard they can take advantage of many types of coolers from reasonably well to extremely well for haswell however one needs to find specific coolers to keep the heat down.

This is all stuff I have read time and time again, if you are using the chip at stock or a small overclock then haswell is the best bet, if you plan on overclocking then Ivy is the way to go as haswell may have a slight edge IPC wise but on average do not overclock as good when pushed power and temps skyrocket (which is far more likely to kill the chip faster) etc
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