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Old September 5, 2013, 10:26 AM
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Okay. The OP has stated that he wishes to play BF4 when it is released, and that he is planning on using his existing 7850 . Here is a BF3 benchmark from The Tech Report. THEY are using a 7950 as a graphics card, a decidedly superior card to the 7850.

AMD's FX-8350 processor reviewed - The Tech Report - Page 7

Oh My. No performance difference from one processor to the other. These are real world conditions similar to what the OP will be experiencing.


OP, if you have a limited budget, go with either the 6300 or the 8350.

If you can afford a platform change, then by all means, purchase an i5 (will run you about $400 for a decent mobo/processor). But, keep in mind, you won't see a HUGE difference from the AMD chip to the Intel chip in game.
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Old September 5, 2013, 04:50 PM
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Okay. The OP has stated that he wishes to play BF4 when it is released, and that he is planning on using his existing 7850 . Here is a BF3 benchmark from The Tech Report. THEY are using a 7950 as a graphics card, a decidedly superior card to the 7850.

AMD's FX-8350 processor reviewed - The Tech Report - Page 7

Oh My. No performance difference from one processor to the other. These are real world conditions similar to what the OP will be experiencing.
Did the OP state Battlefield is the only game he'll play for the rest of his life? From the conclusion of the review you linked to:
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Yet the FX-8350's gaming performance almost exactly matches that of the Core i3-3225, a $134 Ivy Bridge-based processor. Meanwhile, the Core i5-3470 delivers markedly superior gaming performance for less money than the FX-8350.
Wow- the 8 core AMD 8350 flagship part has caught up all the way to a $134 intel last gen dual core part.
The differences are BIG in some games.

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OP, if you have a limited budget, go with either the 6300 or the 8350.
OP, do you REALLY want to go through another year or two with the laughable performance an AMD part will give you? And spend money to do so?

ASRock Z77 Pro3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K - Newegg.com

There you go. Sell your motherboard, add $150 to the proceeds, and you've got a motherboard/cpu that is far better than anything AMD has ever built.

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If you can afford a platform change, then by all means, purchase an i5 (will run you about $400 for a decent mobo/processor). But, keep in mind, you won't see a HUGE difference from the AMD chip to the Intel chip in game.
C'mon. Fact of the matter is you can buy an intel motherboard for less than $200, and any intel processor between $190 and $230 spanks anything AMD has ever built.

I'm sticking to my advice- nobody should waste money on an AMD cpu ever again. It just doesn't make sense.
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Old September 5, 2013, 05:15 PM
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I appreciate all the feedbacks. I personally like AMD, my very first build was an athlon64 3200 venice core socket 939. I always wanted to have an Intel rig but it's just out of my budget.
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I appreciate all the feedbacks. I personally like AMD, my very first build was an athlon64 3200 venice core socket 939. I always wanted to have an Intel rig but it's just out of my budget.
I like AMD too, have easily built 15+ AMD rigs over the years. That doesn't mean I waste money on their bad parts anymore though.

I have another idea for you:

Since you're a gamer, how about selling the 7850 and buying a 7950?

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages..._review,9.html

At 1080p and up the cpu makes much less difference unless you go multi GPU.

Big jump in performance going 7850>>>7950:

AMD Radeon HD 7850 & HD 7870 2 GB Review | techPowerUp
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If BF4 MP is anything like BF3 MP the FX6300 will get you higher min fps apposed to the 965be but in SP 965be has no problem with bf3.

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Red is min fps ^ . Keep in mind the vishera fx6300 has improved over the older bulldozer fx8150, so you might get a few extra fps in multi player.

Ps, I've been with AMD since the Duron 800 because Intel is always just too much $$$ to justify kicking out. I'm on a low end budget for my comps for example I picked up a newegg shell shocker EA750w psu $50 free shipped one time and I don't see blowing $3xx i7 + $2xx mobo combo anytime in the near future.
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You can spend about $12-140 for a decent z77/87 board and drop in an i5 for ~$220.. Intel boards aren't as outragous as they used to be (untill you look at 2011)
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Rollo say's "C'mon. Fact of the matter is you can buy an intel motherboard for less than $200, and any intel processor between $190 and $230 spanks anything AMD has ever built."

Spanks is subjective, and Rollo's constant slamming amd gets tiring.

Intel Core i7 3770K Unlocked Quad Core Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.5GHZ Ivy Bridge 8MB Retail - DirectCanada $339.79

Metro: Last Light Performance, Benchmarked > CPU Performance - TechSpot

There ya go 5 fps is gonna cost $140, $28 for each of the 5 frames.

5 fps doesn't amount to too much of a spank more of a rub.

Hey if intel was spitting out 25-40 fps more on the avg (aka all the time) ya spank me for going with amd 8350 but 5 fps is not all that impressive.

Tomb Raider Performance Test: Graphics & CPU > CPU Performance - TechSpot

Ties aren't a spanking either ^^^.
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Rollo say's "C'mon. Fact of the matter is you can buy an intel motherboard for less than $200, and any intel processor between $190 and $230 spanks anything AMD has ever built."

Spanks is subjective, and Rollo's constant slamming amd gets tiring.

Intel Core i7 3770K Unlocked Quad Core Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.5GHZ Ivy Bridge 8MB Retail - DirectCanada $339.79

Metro: Last Light Performance, Benchmarked > CPU Performance - TechSpot

There ya go 5 fps is gonna cost $140, $28 for each of the 5 frames.

5 fps doesn't amount to too much of a spank more of a rub.

Hey if intel was spitting out 25-40 fps more on the avg (aka all the time) ya spank me for going with amd 8350 but 5 fps is not all that impressive.

Tomb Raider Performance Test: Graphics & CPU > CPU Performance - TechSpot

Ties aren't a spanking either ^^^.
Not my fault AMD makes junk CPUs.

I notice you didn't post links to the 3470 and 3570 that also beat the 8350, but cost the same. AMD fans like to try and make the position "intel rigs cost much more!", but the fact of the matter is you can buy intel rigs for the same price that beat AMD's obsolete designs and use half the power doing so.

What would be shocking is if AMD could compete a whole process node behind, but it's not like they've caught up to two year old Sandy Bridge either.
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Crysis 3 Performance Test: Graphics & CPU > CPU Performance - TechSpot

Holy snappers the FX8350 smoked and spanked the i5 3470 by a lip smacking 1 fps, get the sarcasm.

Fact intel has nothing in a $120 cpu that will consistently beat the FX6300 what the topic originally was.

You say amd is junk well apparently you're wrong and since you cannot offer an intel equivalent for $120 FX6300 give it up.
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Crysis 3 Performance Test: Graphics & CPU > CPU Performance - TechSpot

Holy snappers the FX8350 smoked and spanked the i5 3470 by a lip smacking 1 fps, get the sarcasm.

Fact intel has nothing in a $120 cpu that will consistently beat the FX6300 what the topic originally was.

You say amd is junk well apparently you're wrong and since you cannot offer an intel equivalent for $120 FX6300 give it up.
It's not too hard to post benches of intel cpus beating up on primitive AMD cpus Upcoast.

Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I32120 - Newegg.com

There's a $120 dual core intel cpu.

AMD Vishera FX-6300 & FX-4300 Review

And there it is trading benches with the 6 core AMD chip.

The intel system uses a whopping 79w at load, but that Vishera stuff needs a whopping 129w to do essentially the same job. And where do those extra 50W go? Right into your case.

What do you think has more headroom for overclocking and performance gains to be had?

In any case, my position is that if a person is building a gaming rig, they should just spend the $200 instead of chaining themselves to AMDs rapidly failing AM3 line again.

Rumor has it AM3 is EOL, and the last of the non APUs for struggling AMD.
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