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Old August 23, 2013, 03:24 PM
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Why do you think that XP will be a "lame duck" after MS officially ends support for the OS?
My computer will go on working after that date and will continue to do everything after that date that it did before that date.

Security is more than just installing patch after patch from MS. What really protects you is a good anti-virus program, a good anti-malware program and a good 3rd party firewall.
That and staying away from "those" websites. And I did mention that I can restore my C drive any time I want, in only a few minutes. That alone will save me from much grief no matter what happens.
As for those security patches from MS. They only officially end for the routine user at home or in business. There are embedded and POS versions of XP, and these will be supported with security patches until 2019.
Those POS patches (with a slight tweak) will work fine with XP Pro, and can be found and downloaded if you know where to find them. Ther are already users playing around with them and using them in place of the regular patches.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, that despite what people think might happen after next year, XP users will be okay, as long as the hardware is there to install the OS on.
With a huge market still using XP, especially in business, there's always the chance MS will carry on with a limited update scheme after the "deadline", but it really doesn't matter.
You use whatever OS you find easy,comfortable and does the job for you. Heck, I know people who love Vista and wouldn't want to switch to XP or Windows 7.

Not much more I can say about Windows 8.
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Old August 23, 2013, 03:26 PM
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Why do you think that XP will be a "lame duck" after MS officially ends support for the OS?
My computer will go on working after that date and will continue to do everything after that date that it did before that date.

Security is more than just installing patch after patch from MS. What really protects you is a good anti-virus program, a good anti-malware program and a good 3rd party firewall.
That and staying away from "those" websites. And I did mention that I can restore my C drive any time I want, in only a few minutes. That alone will save me from much grief no matter what happens.
As for those security patches from MS. They only officially end for the routine user at home or in business. There are embedded and POS versions of XP, and these will be supported with security patches until 2019.
Those POS patches (with a slight tweak) will work fine with XP Pro, and can be found and downloaded if you know where to find them. Ther are already users playing around with them and using them in place of the regular patches.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, that despite what people think might happen after next year, XP users will be okay, as long as the hardware is there to install the OS on.
With a huge market still using XP, especially in business, there's always the chance MS will carry on with a limited update scheme after the "deadline", but it really doesn't matter.
You use whatever OS you find easy,comfortable and does the job for you. Heck, I know people who love Vista and wouldn't want to switch to XP or Windows 7.

Not much more I can say about Windows 8.
I work in the IT department for the City of Calgary.. A lot of the clients are using Windows XP but are being switched to Windows 7 for hardware upgrade, software usage and a lot of other reasons.

Trust me companies ARE going to Windows 7 and those people who aren't are those that are afraid of using a new OS.
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Old August 23, 2013, 05:13 PM
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The problem with XP is it's just like Flash, it's really common/old and requires constant patching to keep it reasonably secure. No amount of antivirus is going to do anything about that. However, that being said good browsing habits are all you really need to stay safe so ditching XP can be optional.

But it'll also be annoying slipstreaming all those drivers you'll need into your XP ISO. Otherwise you won't even be able to install XP on your machine.
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Ok, me I really think the problem is some place else. You should be able to install Windows XP on pretty much any new hardware, Intel or AMD. The problem might be the lack of integrated SATA drivers in the Windows XP image, but that can be easily solved with nLite, you just download the drvivers and inject them in the Windows installation , then create a bootable image and you are done.
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Old August 23, 2013, 08:22 PM
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Old August 23, 2013, 09:35 PM
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That and staying away from "those" websites.
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However, that being said good browsing habits are all you really need to stay safe so ditching XP can be optional.
You guys realize that any website ever can be compromised, right? It is not just limited to pirate/porn/etc sites.


Also, Most people run 32bit XP, are you sure you want that little RAM or will you be running 64bit?

Honestly I say if you need XP for certain software you setup an offline machine built from slightly older hardware to run said software and use something with win7/8 as your primary internetting computer.

Here is some reading about the topic for those interested.
The Risk of Running Windows XP After Support Ends April 2014 - Microsoft Security Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
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You guys realize that any website ever can be compromised, right? It is not just limited to pirate/porn/etc sites.
By good browsing habits I meant not falling for the "Your computer has a virus" banner - not frequenting socially unaccepted sites.

As for Microsoft ditching XP SP3 support, I've seen quite a few companies still on XP SP1 that haven't had any security issues. I know they're asking to get screwed over and it's something I strongly discourage, but the fact of the matter is the weakest link is rarely the software itself.
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Old August 24, 2013, 03:56 PM
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Not all drive-by-downloads/installs involve the user clicking a button.
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Old August 24, 2013, 07:40 PM
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The ultimate solution to running XP after the "deadline" (and this works for all computers) is to back up your OS partition to a USB key or another offline storage device, and save all your data offline as well. Then no matter what gets through to your machine from the internet, no matter what damage it may do, you can always restore your system back the way it should be, and your data will always be safe.

Using a MS blog as a reference to the dangers of keeping Windows XP isn't much help. You know that their goal is to move users to Windows 8 (not 7) as quickly as possible, They make not so much money if most of us don't buy their new, fancy OS every time a new one comes on to the market. Should they support XP forever? I think so, at least to the point where there is no longer the hardware to run it. Car manufacturers don't refuse to repair or recall the current model just because a new one has arrived.
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as long as you use web browsers tha tare up to date and have all of your seturity software up to date then you should be fine programs like Secunia are great for making sure tha tall your software security is up to date the biggest downside of win xpx86 is that you don't use more then 4 gb ram and as for the winxpx64 well you will have a huge problem finding drivers I have heard tha ta few people were able to get some of the vista drivers to work but I cannot confirm this , I didn't have any problems installing on a sata drive not sure why that is but if you need to get any drivers you can always use what was suggested nlite I have used t ha tprogram to make personal unattended disks with added software and what ever else I wanted all I did was follow the instructions burn the disk slow reboot my sytem or the system I was installing the OS on chose the partition and the let it run head out the door grab something to eat come back and my sytem was fully installed with everything I wanted. of course now the OS are so huge that I cannot do this anymore
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