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Old July 19, 2013, 04:09 PM
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Story says ~$799 for 9590, Newegg is selling OEM boxed no cooler for 900$, 9370 i would expect around 450-500$
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Had this been $350, I would have said "Nicely done.". For $800 or $900, I say "Shouldn't we call the police?".
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Had this been $350, I would have said "Nicely done.". For $800 or $900, I say "Shouldn't we call the police?".
Even at 350$ sticker it wouldn't been nicely done. Considering 3770k/4770k are ~ same performance but a good 1ghz Overclocking headroom and this that if count the turbo which is 300mhz as overclocking headroom its only around 5-7%, on top of the 3x power draw over Intel parts. That is this cpu's biggest problem is the power draw. Proper binned 4770k is 4.7-4.8ghz part.
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Story says ~$799 for 9590, Newegg is selling OEM boxed no cooler for 900$, 9370 i would expect around 450-500$
FX-9370 is $349.98 at NCIX.

AMD FX Series FX-9370 8 Cores AM3+ 4.4GHZ Turbo 4.7GHZ 16MB DDR3-1866 Processor


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Even at 350$ sticker it wouldn't been nicely done. Considering 3770k/4770k are ~ same performance but a good 1ghz Overclocking headroom and this that if count the turbo which is 300mhz as overclocking headroom its only around 5-7%, on top of the 3x power draw over Intel parts. That is this cpu's biggest problem is the power draw. Proper binned 4770k is 4.7-4.8ghz part.
As for Haswell and OC, I have had two 4770K chips, both of which were between 190 and 230 watts at 4.4 Ghz with no video card on Micro ATX boards and each hovering in the 90 celsius mark in Prime95 and Intel Burn Test.

Binning shwinning. Haswell is a joke and a downgrade from Ivy Bridge for enthusiasts.
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As for Haswell and OC, I have had two 4770K chips, both of which were between 190 and 230 watts at 4.4 Ghz with no video card on Micro ATX boards and each hovering in the 90 celsius mark in Prime95 and Intel Burn Test.
what were you using stock cooler on that overclock? </rhetorical question> TO many it fair have to use a binned 4770 cause that AMD is a BINNED part from sec it rolls off the line. i've seen 4770k's that can get 4.8ghz stable, no not using stock cooler but the AMD is not using a stock cooler(there is not STOCK cooler for it)
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Anyone overclocking on stock won't be found here... Haswell is known to have at least some very hot running chips that even a good AIO can't handle past 4.4 ish
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Even at 350$ sticker it wouldn't been nicely done. Considering 3770k/4770k are ~ same performance but a good 1ghz Overclocking headroom and this that if count the turbo which is 300mhz as overclocking headroom its only around 5-7%, on top of the 3x power draw over Intel parts. That is this cpu's biggest problem is the power draw. Proper binned 4770k is 4.7-4.8ghz part.
At $350 it's a fair deal and "nicely done".

A. Has performance advantage in a few games and some highly threaded apps.
B. Is priced in line with rest of AMD chips, and not terribly out of line with intel chips at stock speeds.
C. Competition is good for all, and I bought AMD CPUs almost exclusively for many years to support it.

Yes it won't be able to OC as well, more power/heat, and loses way more than it wins in games/apps, but at $350 it's at least in the ball park on bang per buck and a person wouldn't feel like they were being mugged buying it.
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Even at 350$ sticker it wouldn't been nicely done. Considering 3770k/4770k are ~ same performance but a good 1ghz Overclocking headroom and this that if count the turbo which is 300mhz as overclocking headroom its only around 5-7%, on top of the 3x power draw over Intel parts. That is this cpu's biggest problem is the power draw. Proper binned 4770k is 4.7-4.8ghz part.
Ya, IF you have a custom loop. I was only able to get my 3770K up to 4.5 on an H80i. That is with temps hovering in the high 80's. Eldonko was able to get the very same chip up to 4.8 but under a custom loop with many rads. Reports are that Haswell chips run even hotter. So, I'd like you to prove the '1Ghz' headroom with a reasonably priced cooler. Fact is these chips don't have that much headroom anymore unless you're willing to splurge many hundreds of dollars on a waterblock, tubing and rads.
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what were you using stock cooler on that overclock? </rhetorical question> TO many it fair have to use a binned 4770 cause that AMD is a BINNED part from sec it rolls off the line. i've seen 4770k's that can get 4.8ghz stable, no not using stock cooler but the AMD is not using a stock cooler(there is not STOCK cooler for it)
Also, YES, AMD is using binned parts. But you're paying for that binning, and it is guaranteed. It is NOT fair to use a binned Intel part because a consumer is not guaranteed to get a good intel chip with good headroom.
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what were you using stock cooler on that overclock? </rhetorical question> TO many it fair have to use a binned 4770 cause that AMD is a BINNED part from sec it rolls off the line. i've seen 4770k's that can get 4.8ghz stable, no not using stock cooler but the AMD is not using a stock cooler(there is not STOCK cooler for it)
How good can a cooler be to dissipate 200+ watts on a core the size of half a postage stamp like my 4770K's die?

By way of comparison my very good 3770K is de-lidded and doing 4.8-4.9 Ghz at 155 to 170 watts in a similar no GPU configuration, and even with two GTX Titans idling its using 230w on a different board, with the CPU at full blast on Prime95 or IBT/LinX.

As great_big_abyss said, I'd much rather AMD binned some parts for high speeds and sold them to me with a warranty and a guaranteed speed than play financial russian roulette finding a decently overclocking 4770K. It's not fair to use a "binned" 4770K to compare, because finding one requires a number of returns or re-sells, or someone on Ebay or a BST forum who's willing to gouge you for a "binned" 4770K. At this point that "binning" process is costing way more than $350.00, and begins to make an FX-9590 look like a good investment.

Haswell yields right now for enthusiasts are not tremendous:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...w,3521-10.html

Go below the CPU-Z screenshot and see that a number of their chips sucked just like my "good" overclocking chip at 4.4 and 1.20 volts.

Further to that the 4770K is gimped in some features while the FX line is not. A better comparison is an I7 3820.
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