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Old April 9, 2012, 11:52 AM
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Question suggest a CPU for this cooler: Scythe Mugen

I'm using this cooler, it's nice and quiet, and wondered which of the listed Intel CPUs are the best bang for the buck. I'd like to go Intel on my next build. Suggest a mobo too if you know a goood basic model, non SLI.
Scythe "MUGEN-2 Rev.B" 6Heat Pipes CPU Cooler
Remember this is coming from a 2.3ghz AMD 9650 quad. I've never o/c'ed it, is that a viable option?

Compatibility:
Intel® LGA1366 Processor
Intel® Xeon® Processor 3500 Series
Intel® Core™ i7 Processor Extreme Edition Series
Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 9xx Series

Intel® LGA1156 Processor
Intel® Xeon® 3400 Series
Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 8xx Series
Intel® Core™ i5 Processor Series
Intel® Core™ i3 Processor Series

Intel® LGA775 (SocketT) Processor
Quad-Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 3200 Series
Dual-Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 3000 Sequence
Intel® Core™2 Extreme processor
Intel® Core™2 Quad processor
Intel® Core™2 Duo processor
Intel® Core™ Duo Processor
Intel® Pentium® Processor Extreme Edition
Intel® Pentium® D Processor
Intel® Pentium® Processor
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor Extreme Edition supporting Hyper-Threading Technology
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor supporting Hyper-threading Technology
Intel® Celeron® D Processor
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Old April 9, 2012, 12:43 PM
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Anything i5 or lower if you plan on overclocking, wouldn't run an i7 under that cooler unless it was at stock settings(kinda small) Should keep every AMD chip other then the X6 and bulldozer under wraps with an overclock.
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Anything i5 or lower if you plan on overclocking, wouldn't run an i7 under that cooler unless it was at stock settings(kinda small) Should keep every AMD chip other then the X6 and bulldozer under wraps with an overclock.
The Mugen 2 is actually a pretty massive heatsink and can handle higher end processors without issue. In a push/pull config, it's typically only a few degrees behind the higher end air coolers. (Prolimatech Megahelms, Venomous-X, etc)
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Old April 11, 2012, 10:09 AM
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Yes that is a good cooler and it is not small by a long shot it weights almost 2 pounds.Just looking at the picture it might interfer with the memory on some motherboards.
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I'm trying to spec out a midrange system without doing alot of research because I don't use surround sound, SLI, or any special expansion cards. Of these listed cpu/mobo bundles, what do you think I'm missing by buying a cheaper one if they use the same CPU?
Asus P8Z77-V LK Socket 1155 Intel Z77 Chipset Motherboard +Intel Core i5-3450 Quad-Core Socket 1155, 3.1Ghz,CPU Bundel | Canada Computers
Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H Socket 1155 Intel Z77 Chipset Motherboard + Intel Core i5-3450 Quad-Core Socket 1155, 3.1Ghz CPU Bundle | Canada Computers
Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H Socket 1155 Intel Z77 Chipset + Intel Core i5-3550 Quad-Core Socket 1155, 3.3 Ghz CPU | Canada Computers
Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H Socket 1155 Intel Z77 Chipset + Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.4Ghz CPU Bundle | Canada Computers
Asus P8Z77-V LX Socket 1155 Intel Z77 Chipset Motherboard+ Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core 3.4Ghz,CPU Bundle | Canada Computers
I don't know how long those links are valid so in a few days they likely won't show the same thing.
Also: Will it hurt anything if I power up the system without a drive installed, just to get into the bios to check that the ACPI(?) is set before plugging in a SSD?

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what do you think I'm missing by buying a cheaper one if they use the same CPU?
The issue here is the bundles don't use the same CPU... Every one of them is a Z77 board with half-decent VRM circuits, so you'd be able to overclock the K CPU to 4.2'ish without much of a problem. The non-K CPUs will be limited to a +400MHz overclock.
Among those CanadaComputers choices I'd actually get this: Canada Computers | Motherboards | ASRock Z77 Pro3 Socket 1155 Intel Z77 Chipset Quad Channel DDR3 2800+(OC)/2400(OC)/2133(OC)/1866(OC)/1600/1333/1066Mhz 7.1 CH HD Audio GLAN 2x SATAIII 6.0 GB/s 4x SATAII 3.0 GB/s 2x USB 3.0 6x USB 2.0 2x PCI-Ex16 Slo + a 3570K since it actually comes up less than the bundles and gives you a VRM heat sink
If you're not overclocking, pick up a cheap H77 board and the not-K Core i5 of your choice, again beating the bundle prices.

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Will it hurt anything if I power up the system without a drive installed, just to get into the bios to check that the ACPI(?) is set before plugging in a SSD?
No - CPU (+ properly mounted cooler), motherboard, and 1 stick of RAM are what you need to boot up a system, so if you have all three there's no harm. Hard drive is not a requirement, since you can run OS off a USB stick or similar with no problems.
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Can't say I would go for a new CPU in the list you provided. If you go used either a i5 760 or i7 860 would be good on 1156 or anything 1366. If your investing in new I would go to 1155 even if the cooler doesn't fit because they are faster, more efficient and will cost the same. I would suggest a 3570k if you will OC or 3450 3470 3550 or 3570 depending on price if you will not. Someone else maybe able to confirm if it will fit 1155
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Can't say I would go for a new CPU in the list you provided. If you go used either a i5 760 or i7 860 would be good on 1156 or anything 1366. If your investing in new I would go to 1155 even if the cooler doesn't fit because they are faster, more efficient and will cost the same. I would suggest a 3570k if you will OC or 3450 3470 3550 or 3570 depending on price if you will not. Someone else maybe able to confirm if it will fit 1155
OK so depending how much I want to o/c determines the CPU...gotcha. That $80 mobo above sounds good, I just might do that, thanks guys.
(what's VRM cooling mean? I get that it's cpu/mobo related but I need more detail).
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Installing the 3750k to that asRock board now, my old cooler isn't supposed to support the 1155 socket but the brackets seem to line up well, has anyone tried a 1156 bracket on a 1155 board? It look like it would work.

Edit, answered my own question Intel 1155/1156 CPU cooler - Same thing?
Wish me luck on this build.

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What's VRM cooling mean?
VRM stands for voltage regulator module - Hardware Secrets has more than you probably want to know about them: Everything You Need to Know About The Motherboard Voltage Regulator Circuit | Hardware Secrets
As for cooling, the MOSFETs in a VRM are just about the hottest components on your motherboard or GPU, so although they're rated for high temperature operation, you'll want cooling on them if you are overclocking.

Higher end motherboards come with heat sinks around the CPU socket - this is VRM cooling. You can also have active VRM cooling like I have by pointing a fan directly at the VRM area.

If there's no cooling and you overclock? Here's the result - I tried it for fun

That's the VRM temperature on my Phenom 9950 overclocked to 2.9 GHz on a Gigabyte MA770-UD3. I'm not sure why the computer still runs but there's burnt solder mask / flux marks on the PCB around where the MOSFETs are.
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