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Old January 29, 2011, 03:48 PM
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Guys please don't turn this into a bicker fest, just here to find out what p67 mobo options there are.

Going back to the original question in post 52:
1155 dilemma: ASRock vs Asus

Is the UD7 worth the $100 premium, especially when the Saber seems to have beefier components and uefi?
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Old January 29, 2011, 03:51 PM
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you could get into the giga vs asus rma/returns number, and ass having higher ones because 1-they sell more(i think)

and 2-giga's a little bit better, at least on the lower end where most sales are made? :)





edit : value, cant beat asrock. giga too. dont think so. what are you going to do with it to justify the hike?
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Old January 29, 2011, 03:57 PM
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To be completely honest I won't be pushing either gpu or cpu to their limits. Probably OC the i5 to around 4 and call it a day.

So the saber sounds smarter, but I'm not strapped for cash either, and the onboard power and cmos would be really convenient, also far more usb 3.0 ports (I have a lot of peripherals). Not to mention the GB board looks far better imo.
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Old January 29, 2011, 03:58 PM
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I find this debate hilarious. The highest rate of return for motherboard isn't even five percent. Really, this argument is down to numbers past the decimal point, and it's silly.

On topic: The price gap between the AsRock and Asus is considerable, and both seem like total overkill for most enthusiasts. It seems AsRock has really cleaned up whatever perceived negative acts they had going.
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I am out of this debate. For good.
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Old January 29, 2011, 04:46 PM
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Need to clear a few more things up for you guys in this thread...

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LINUS: I really trust your opinion, but the sad thing is that you, or NCIX, will never publish your RMA numbers...that would hurt the sales, of course...the writer of said article mentioned that they got the numbers from the etailer from somebody within....it's not 100% representative, but cannot be completely called BS..after all we're talking about less than 10% failure rate....and only in a few rare cases...
"Return rates" (what any retailer typically deals with) are much higher than "defective rates". NCIX's return rate might be (hypothetically) quite high on some item, but if you dig into the paperwork you might actually discover that most of the returns were due to buyer's remorse, and very very few of them actually had anything to do with the performance or functionality of the product.

Another thing that can make RMA rates look unrealistically bad is slow sales. If a SKU isn't moving too well (maybe only a few units in a week) and you take one back, all of a sudden it might look like a 20% RMA rate on the SKU when in actuality it's not statistically significant.

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OCZ RAM...had a higher failure rate...anybody agree? They even stopped making that stuff!!!
OCZ's reason for dropping RAM is available in their press release. They are a public company now. The margin in RAM sucks compared to the other things they are doing. It's the same reason companies like Corsair, Mushkin, G.Skill, etc are all trying to diversify into other categories like power supplies, audio, SSDs, etc.

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Gigabyte mobos being really good, but maybe had a few more issue during the P55 era...possible right?
Actually their P55 boards have great return rates for us. I cannot publish numbers because it's confidential company information, but I can tell you guys that if you knew the return rates on Gigabyte, MSI, and ASUS, it would not "hurt" the sales on any of those brands ;)

These are TIER 1 manufacturers we're talking about. Do you think Dell or Apple would accept 5% RMA on products manufactured by them? Never mind 9+%...

As for the source of that article. He's welcome to come down to NCIX HQ and I will tell him to his face he's full of hot air. No company in the IT industry would survive with return OR defective rates like that (anything even approaching 10%). There's not enough margin to be taking back (and usually throwing out) 10% of what you ship.
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Thanks for clearing things up Linus!
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Old January 30, 2011, 01:56 AM
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Lot's of good info for sure, RMA's at over 10% don't really make any sense if you want to make a profit. On a side note, I have chosen the UD7 :D
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