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Old November 21, 2010, 11:39 AM
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Well I am back. I wasn't sure if I should have made a new post or just continue with this one so I decided on the later.

My DFI-Ultra-d finally packed it in and died on me. I switched over to my back up board (Asus A8R-MVP) but it seems very finicky with my ram. I was only able to get it working with 1gb instead of the 2gb I was using with my Ultra-d. I have never been an overclocker so I unsure how to play with ram timings/voltages ...etc to get it to work with this board.


I guess it might be time for a MB, Cpu,ram upgrade. As mentioned in my first post I had been looking at the Amd Phenom II X4 955BE and 965BE and trying to decide on a board to go with it. I also looked at the I5-760 and also a few 1156 boards but I think the I5 and board might be out of my budget so I am back looking at the AMD stuff. It seems the amd boards can be less expensive than the intel's.

This is what I have been looking at so far: Prices will be pricematched at NCIX

Amd Phenom II X4 955BE VS. Amd Phenom II X4 965BE $144.99 Vs. $169.99

G.Skill Ripjaws 4gb ddr3-1333 CL7-7-7-21 $63.62

NCIX.com - Buy G.SKILL F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH Ripjaws PC3-10666 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL7-7-7-21 Core i5 1.5V Memory Kit - F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH In Canada.

For the board it has been a tough one to decide on. I have been looking at a couple.

Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3 $100.92 I like the price on this board and I have read the reviews but I am a bit concerned about the mosfet cooling issue that might arise.

NCIX.com - Buy Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3 AMD870 ATX AM3 DDR3 1PCI-E 2PCI RAID HD Sound GBLAN SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard - GA-870A-UD3 In Canada.

MSI 870A-G54 $103.14 - $15mir = $88.14 I don't know much about this board to be honest.

MSI 870A-G54 ATX AM3 870 DDR3 2PCI-E16 CrossFire 1PCI-E1 3PCI SATA3 USB3.0 GBLAN Motherboard - DirectCanada

I will also be adding an XFX HD6850 vid card.

I guess I would love some advice and thoughts on the boards, cpu and even ram and vid card. Is the 1333 ram enough or should I get the 1600?

Kinda lost as to what to do so I could really use your help.

Mumbly
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Old November 21, 2010, 12:07 PM
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right. 870a between those. the xfx 6850 is nice, usually more expensive than giga or sapphire ones :)

get the 99$ phenom II quad at the egg, oem so get a nice cm 212+ and clock or not away

dont forget power.
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_dangtx_: Sorry bud but both boards are 870A....were you leaning towards the Giga? Is the mosfet cooling a non-issue if I don't plan on oc'ing?


JD: I am not sure. I guess I need you to tell me how good that is. I am kinda lost when it comes to comparing intel to amd stuff. I only know that the Amd chips and boards seem to be cheaper and that is why I was leaning that way. I had looked at the I5-760 and a board but when I did the final math it came out to be atleast $100+ less for the Amd stuff.

The giga 6850 looks like a good price but should I be concerned with the 3 year warranty? I was leaning towards Xfx dur to the double lifetime. It seems most other makers are at 2-3 years. I that something I should be looking at or is 3 years enough?

No price matching allowed on that ram at Ncix even tho it is cheaper from DC. Is the 1600 what I need to go with? I think I saw the board rated for 1333 but can do 1600 if oc'd. Does that mean that I have to Oc the chip and board to get the 1600 to run? I am not much of an oc'er so I have to ask the question. :o)

Sorry for the questions guys. I am just a bit lost on what to do.
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Old November 21, 2010, 11:31 PM
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damn,yeah. sorry, cant edit me dam post so.... it won the best of the bunch, read here : AMD 870 Mainboards Roundup: Asus, Biostar, Gigabyte and MSI. Page 9 - X-bit labs

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Buy AMD [HDZ940XCJ4DGI] AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Quad Core Processor AM2+ 3.0GHZ 8MB Cache 125W 45NM OEM


for the win

it will beat anything else bang per buck.
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Thanks for the links. That MB roundup is great info. Something I noticed though. I know I said I was on a budget but should I be looking at a board that is true crossfire or sli? I think I read that the 870A would be 4x/4x if in crossfire. Should be I be looking a possibly future proofing myself and look at maybe a Gigabyte 890GPA-UD3H for $130? Or a Gigabyte 890XA-UD3 at $138 even though it is a 790X?


The 940BE looks like a good deal but adding say a CM 212 would be $30 bring it to $130. The 955BE is $144 so $14 more. I understand the advantages of the CM 212 but would you still go with the 940?


Sorry if my questions sound stupid or lame. I just want to learn as much as I can.

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GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket AM3 - GA-890GPA-UD3H (rev. 2.0)

Expansion Slots
  1. 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16) (Note 5)
  2. 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x8 (PCIEX8) (Note 5)

GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket AM3 - GA-870A-UD3 (rev. 2.2)

Expansion Slots
  1. 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16)
  2. 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4) (Note 2)



x4 can and will reduce framerate at high resolutions, x8 less. either way the difference is not earth shattering.

GeForce GTX 480 PCI-Express Scaling Review - Page 24/25 | techPowerUp

AMD Radeon HD 5870 PCI-Express Scaling Review - Page 25/26 | techPowerUp

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...g,2517-10.html



cm 212+ is 23 pm'ed. yes.

no worries maite.
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Thanks for the links. That MB roundup is great info. Something I noticed though. I know I said I was on a budget but should I be looking at a board that is true crossfire or sli? I think I read that the 870A would be 4x/4x if in crossfire. Should be I be looking a possibly future proofing myself and look at maybe a Gigabyte 890GPA-UD3H for $130? Or a Gigabyte 890XA-UD3 at $138 even though it is a 790X?


The 940BE looks like a good deal but adding say a CM 212 would be $30 bring it to $130. The 955BE is $144 so $14 more. I understand the advantages of the CM 212 but would you still go with the 940?


Sorry if my questions sound stupid or lame. I just want to learn as much as I can.

Mumbly

If you are already up in the $130 Range don't overlook ASUS for their boards either. I love Gigabyte, don't get me wrong, but I've had some issues with their lower end vs their higher end. And honestly I would much prefer a board that uses a heatsink over its Power Delivery.

NCIX.com - Buy ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 DDR3 ATX AMD 880G SB850 2PCI-E16 PCI-E1 3PCI Radeon 4250 Motherboard - M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 In Canada.

The Above ASUS board would be a good fit for you .

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JD: I am not sure. I guess I need you to tell me how good that is. I am kinda lost when it comes to comparing intel to amd stuff. I only know that the Amd chips and boards seem to be cheaper and that is why I was leaning that way. I had looked at the I5-760 and a board but when I did the final math it came out to be atleast $100+ less for the Amd stuff.

The giga 6850 looks like a good price but should I be concerned with the 3 year warranty? I was leaning towards Xfx dur to the double lifetime. It seems most other makers are at 2-3 years. I that something I should be looking at or is 3 years enough?

No price matching allowed on that ram at Ncix even tho it is cheaper from DC. Is the 1600 what I need to go with? I think I saw the board rated for 1333 but can do 1600 if oc'd. Does that mean that I have to Oc the chip and board to get the 1600 to run? I am not much of an oc'er so I have to ask the question. :o)

Sorry for the questions guys. I am just a bit lost on what to do.
i5 750 will mainly be faster if you overclock it. At stock, the Phenom II 945 is comparable. Basically, if you can afford the i5, I'd go that route. However, if you can afford the i5, then you might as well look at the Phenom II X6 as that runs about the same price too.

3 year warranty is plenty IMO. Within 3 years time, you'll probably want an upgrade anyways. Up to you though, but I know I don't use a video card for more than a year typically.

No harm in getting DDR3-1600 when it's not really anymore expensive. Gives you more headroom when you overclock.
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The 940BE looks like a good deal but adding say a CM 212 would be $30 bring it to $130. The 955BE is $144 so $14 more. I understand the advantages of the CM 212 but would you still go with the 940?
The 940 will only run DDR2, meaning you'd have to get a mobo with a 7 series chipset if you go that route.
If you want the bottom end black edition quad and run DDR3 and a 8 series board, then get the 945.
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