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Old September 15, 2007, 04:22 PM
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Question Mobo Recommendation for my E6420

Need a new mainboard as I managed to wreck my MSI P965 Platinum with a failed overclock attempt @390Ghz FSB!!

Anyway, I am looking for any advice for picking a replacement and also maybe suggestions where to buy. Something for say less than $150 with a descent overclock. I don't really need sli.
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Old September 15, 2007, 04:30 PM
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giga p35-ds3R <150 at direct canada.

p35-ds3l <100 at same

other than ichr9r the main difference is 4 phase power on the ds3l vs 6 phase on the ds3R. Heat sinks a bit better on ds3r. ... but no heatpipes on either mobo.
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Old September 15, 2007, 05:34 PM
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Welcome to the forums observer11!

I think you'll find tons of helpful advice here.

As Pscout has already pointed out, the Gigabyte P35 boards seem to be the current decent "budget" OC board of choice.

I'm running the higher end of the series, but I believe the bios is pretty close to the same for all of them and I can verify that it's a fairly decent OC bios. (Plus it's got virtual dual bios which hopefully will save you from the same fate as you had with your MSI 965 board)

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R Atx LGA775 Conroe P35 DDR2 1PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 Sata Raid Sound Gblan Motherboard - DirectCanada
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Old September 15, 2007, 06:08 PM
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Question Narrowing Down the options

All the feedback and reviews I have read seem to point to a Gigabyte board followed closely by Asus.

From what I gather on chipsets the P35 or P965 are my best options since I am not a fan of sli. It doesn't seem like the P35 offers much over P965?

Also, where does the P975 fit into things? (It's so hard to keep up to date on these things).
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Old September 15, 2007, 06:53 PM
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All the feedback and reviews I have read seem to point to a Gigabyte board followed closely by Asus.

From what I gather on chipsets the P35 or P965 are my best options since I am not a fan of sli. It doesn't seem like the P35 offers much over P965?

Also, where does the P975 fit into things? (It's so hard to keep up to date on these things).
P35 offers "futureproofing" for upgrading to the new 1333 FSB processors (I believe some P965 manufacturers have hobbled together bios updates to do this, but AFAIK it's not intended by intel) as well as support for 1066 DDR2.

As an overclocker, the 1066 DDR2 support isn't that big of a deal for you as you more than likely will start at 800 and work your way up, but with the new AMDs due out fairly shortly, we will probably see a new round of price cuts on the latest Intel silicon, so support for 1333 FSB certainly can't hurt.

In terms of performance.... there appears to be little performance benefit on the P35 chipset vrs the P965 (I did a direct comparison between the two boards in my sig in a review of the Gigabyte board). The main benefits would be to folks who don't intend to overclock and who would then be able to set their memory to run @ 1066 with stock FSB.

I've never completely understood where the 975 chipset fits into the big scheme of things.... the 965 seems to have been released after it?

One thing I can say about the Gigabyte Bios (on this board at least) is that I have never used one that was so forgiving of unstable bios settings during the overclocking process. Overclocking this board was almost disapointing in how easy it was.... :)

What kind of memory do you have to drop onto your new board?
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Old September 16, 2007, 05:46 AM
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"One thing I can say about the Gigabyte Bios (on this board at least) is that I have never used one that was so forgiving of unstable bios settings during the overclocking process. Overclocking this board was almost disapointing in how easy it was.... :)" Now that is a REAL plus feature for me (especially given the recent homicide of my MSI P965 Plat ;) .

Support for higher DDR speeds does not appeal so much to me cuz in my experience there is very little performance gain/$$ when it comes to faster ram/tighter timings compared to better processor, better video card, better cooling, etc.

In my case I am overclocking partially because I enjoy tinkering but more importantly I am always on a very tight budget so I have to get the most bang for my buck and really think about what matters to me.

As far as DDR goes I will be waiting and saving a few more weeks (perhaps a good sale somewhere) to something that runs at least 800Mhz. In the meantime all I have is some cheap Kingston DDR2-667 which I already know is going to be my bottle neck until I can afford to upgrade/replace them. It's too bad I can not go lower than 1:1 CPU:DRAM on P35 chipsets in the meantime cuz then I might be able to see how far the E6420 will go without the ram holding me back.
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Old September 16, 2007, 06:14 AM
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Depending on how much you are planning on spending on ram (once you save up the money.... :) ), the 4-4-3-8 supertalent PC2 6400 that MB has in stock ($133) are a pretty decent kit.

I've got a set running @ 1052 on my DFI board.

If your 6420 clocks anywhere near to what mine does, you're going to need ram that will do a minimum of 900 to at least get you a FSB of 450 1:1.
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Old September 16, 2007, 06:45 AM
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Go for the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L. You won't be disappointed. And the $$$ you saved, you'll be able to buy some decent, fast mem.
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Go for the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L. You won't be disappointed. And the $$$ you saved, you'll be able to buy some decent, fast mem.
So funny you say that I just logged on to update this thread to say I just ordered the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L from DirectCanada for $94.99 and used the extra $$ to throw in an AC Freezer 7 Pro for $21.47!!!

Can't wait to play when it arrives even though my DDR2-667 is really gonna bottleneck me until I can replace it with something descent. Oh well, one thing at a time.

I just realized I might also be able to RMA my MSI P965 platinum for $20 shipping. Do you guys think it would worthwhile? I could either sell the replacement board or use it upgrade an older system I have. That's asuming I can RMA it. I don't know, might not be worth the time and effort farting around either ;)


Anyhow, thanks for all the good advise - I was really able to find something suitable at good price very quickly.
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What brand of RAM? Most newer sticks will let you push up to DDR2-800 if you loosen latencies to 5-5-5-15 and push around 2.0-2.1V through it.
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