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Old August 2, 2007, 02:00 PM
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Hey There -- new member here with a question

I was tossing around a few combinations to update my dad's P4 2.8 for office work. Searching online found these parts...

ASrock775i65G + E4500 from Direct Canada

Gigabyte 8I865GME-7 + E4400 from Infonec

Would reuse DDR400, AGP video card, 300 watt 20 pin PSU, and keep the Hard Drive intact.

I guess two Questions:
1. Is it worthwile or could there be better options?
2. If I get a board that does not have an updated BIOS can I still get the machine to POST with one of those chips? (I don't have a socket 775 processor to get me started)

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Old August 2, 2007, 02:07 PM
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They're not a new "line" of procs, so I suspect you'd not have any problems with booting even if those specific CPUs weren't around when the bios was released.

As far as performance goes..... You should see a good boost from going dual core over an older single core P4.

I've never run either of those boards, but I did run one of the earlier Asrock S775 combo boards (there's a review of it in the "in house reviews") with DDR mem and had fairly good results for a budget setup.

You may want to look into the the 2XXX line of S775 chips as well, some folks have had pretty good luck with them, but I'm not sure how they stack up against the 4300 line at stock speeds.
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I agree, I'd stick to the E2140/2160 instead of the E4x00 for an office based system. The lower cache mostly effects gaming and video work.
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E2160 seems to have the nod when price is concerned... I looked at toms charts and compared to the e4300 and the baseline numbers really are similar except when video/gaming comes into play.. I never would have thought.. Intel is a marketing machine.

would the 300 watt PSU manage the load well enough?

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Depends on the brand, quality and age of it.

I'd grab an Antec EarthWatts 380W though just to be safe. Seems like a decent power supply for lower-spec computers.

Seems kinda odd to go with DDR at this point in time. You could pickup a motherboard with integrated graphics, 1GB DDR2, E2160 and a PSU for pretty darn cheap. Actually for that matter, you can get a cheap AMD system such as the below:
X2 3800+
ASUS M2A-VM
Patriot 1GB DDR2-800
Antec 380W
That comes to $250.
I think it might even out-perform the E2160 in some things. I believe AMD is still the king in the lower-end stuff due to their lower pricing. Since it's just for office work, I doubt you'll be overclocking either which is where Intel excels.

Thats from Canada Computers if your in the Toronto area.

(I know, I'm recommending AMD stuff in the Intel forum, shame on me.)

EDIT: Just came across this cheap barebones kit at TigerDirect: Intel D945GCCRL Socket 775 Barebone Kit Intel Pentium D 805 OEM 1GB DDR2 PC4200 ATX Mid-Tower Case 450 Watt Power Supply in Canada at TigerDirect.ca

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He's mostly reusing stuff, not buying it. I'd stick to his original plan because it should suit his needs perfectly for the least amount of $$$. And I'd also stick to the E2140 since you won't feel the difference of the extra 200MHz of the E2160 doing office type work. That 300W unit is pushing it, but if the graphics card is a basic unit, it should be OK.
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The Video is ATI 9200 se

I noticed the barbones kit at tiger as well.... definitely interesting

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The Video is ATI 9200 se which I assume is probably better than majority of integrated graphics??
I would think. At the very least having dedicated video will not be taking up CPU cycles which can be critical to a budget build.
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