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Old February 7, 2010, 11:21 PM
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ha ha records holy cow i haven't seen one of those is a long time. nice setup too jokester
Vinyl is still the best sound. And holds the most character for music. Sure digital copies are nice and convenient, but nothing beats a glass of wine on a summer evening with the best of your vinyl collection at hand.
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Old February 8, 2010, 06:33 AM
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ya ok old guys sorry but i don't think so. yes they sound warmer and fuller. audiophiles! only. sorry I will take the record producers that i have built digital studio's for over even my own opinion. but my point was wow i haven't seen a record in like 10 years. cool
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Old February 8, 2010, 11:17 AM
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ya ok old guys sorry but i don't think so.
Old guys!? Young people these days have no ear for sound. Sure 'Lady Gaga' or whomever the pop flavour of the week is might sound crisper in digital. But artists that mattered, artists that helped shape the musical world across generations, (think Sinatra, Elvis, The Beatles, or even more recent artists like Michael Jackson) they always sound more alive on vinyl.

But anyway... I'll end my portion of the thread jack.
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Old February 8, 2010, 12:08 PM
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awesome. Your all wrong, it has speakers on either side of the screen

I have it plugged into the rig around the corner (47")>


What the heck is on the wall above the light switch? Looks like a HDD???
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ya ok old guys sorry but i don't think so. yes they sound warmer and fuller. audiophiles! only. sorry I will take the record producers that i have built digital studio's for over even my own opinion. but my point was wow i haven't seen a record in like 10 years. cool
Digital audio is fundamentally inferior to analog, simply because information is lost during the analog to digital conversion process. You just can't get around that. You would need an infinite sampling rate to create a perfect 1:1 digital copy of an analog signal, which is obviously impossible.
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What the heck is on the wall above the light switch? Looks like a HDD???
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Old February 8, 2010, 12:47 PM
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Digital audio is fundamentally inferior to analog, simply because information is lost during the analog to digital conversion process. You just can't get around that. You would need an infinite sampling rate to create a perfect 1:1 digital copy of an analog signal, which is obviously impossible.
^^Opinion.

High end systems of each will out perform low end systems of the other, both can produce a high quality sound. That goes for recording and playback.

Digital Cons (subsequently Analog Pros):
aliasing, quantization noise and the absolute limitation of dynamic range

Digital Pros:
linearity in the audible band and low levels of noise and distortion

If I'm not mistaken, digital is capable of a much higher clarity but can sound cold. If you want 'warmth' (which to me is mostly popping and crackling) you go analog. Best way to think about it is that music that was written for that medium is likely best on that medium. Past that its personal preference. You can't say analog is the best of all, simply because to me analog sounds like crap comparatively. Not everyone likes listening to their music as if its being muffled. Of course many people complain that digital is too cold. Well, whichever the case one isn't fundamentally better than the other as both have their upsides and downsides that affect music quality.
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^^Opinion.

High end systems of each will out perform low end systems of the other, .

from what i read from the rest of your post I can tell you that we don't have the same criteria for High End system.
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^^Opinion.
Um, no, it's a fact. It's simply a property of electric signals that a digitally-converted signal will always be less accurate than the original analog source. Of course, you can use very high sampling rates so that the difference between the two is not noticeable to the human ear, but that doesn't mean that the difference isn't there.

Remember that if the audio source is someone singing or playing an instrument, the sound will be originally captured as an analog signal. To get a digital signal in the first place (not counting digitally-synthesized sounds), the sound must first be captured by an analog instrument like a microphone or pickup, and then converted to a digital signal by a digital to analog converter. With records, at least as far as they were originally used, the sound was recorded directly onto analog storage devices, and then written onto records, which are also an analog medium. The only loss of information there would be from imperfections in the equipment.

You may prefer the characteristics of digital audio, but analog audio from an analog source is more accurate.

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from what i read from the rest of your post I can tell you that we don't have the same criteria for High End system.
I never mentioned my criteria for a high end system of either side. I mentioned what people will notice using either playback system. A higher end system most times just gets you less of the cons, but never completely removes those cons from play. Whichever though, like I said personal preference.

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Um, no, it's a fact. It's simply a property of electric signals that a digitally-converted signal will always be less accurate than the original analog source. Of course, you can use very high sampling rates so that the difference between the two is not noticeable to the human ear, but that doesn't mean that the difference isn't there.

Remember that if the audio source is someone singing or playing an instrument, the sound will be originally captured as an analog signal. To get a digital signal in the first place (not counting digitally-synthesized sounds), the sound must first be captured by an analog instrument like a microphone or pickup, and then converted to a digital signal by a digital to analog converter. With records, at least as far as they were originally used, the sound was recorded directly onto analog storage devices, and then written onto records, which are also an analog medium. The only loss of information there would be from imperfections in the equipment.
Right, imperfections in the equipment is still an imperfection in the recording. I didn't say one was better, both have their cons. No analog equipment, recording or playback, is perfect so therefore analog still has imperfections. In theory, it can offer perfect music quality, but in theory (with a perfect sampling rate) so can digital. Both are imperfect, and thus its open to debate.

I don't have time to find a better source, but Analog recording vs. digital recording - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The article doesn't say one way or another, it mentions the debate thereof.


Regarding your edit: It's more accurately recorded perhaps, but the quality of playback is much more depending on the quality of the system you have. The fundamental flaws in digital recordings are in the recording process, the fundamental flaws of analog are in its playback. Or so I've found anyways.

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Old February 8, 2010, 01:13 PM
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well I hate to tell you with the power of computer now a days there a good reason everything has gone digital. all very good points i am no sound engineer but i know several like i said i built a rig for the S engineer out at casino rama and all he was on about was digital this and digital that analog has gone the way of the doe doe bird his words not mine and this was 4 or 5 years ago.
I mean almost all the music i listen to is new so this is the reason i like digital. the hate crackling and popping. jmo never facts who the hell i am i to tell anyone anything.
just thought seeing records was funny is all back to topic very nice setup on the double monitor and tv
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