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Old August 27, 2010, 06:57 AM
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I'll say it right here. You likely won't see another TR product reviewed here due to their practices when it comes to contesting results and general pressure towards positive reviews.

If you give their product a glowing review, you won't hear a thing from them. Give them many positive reviews and....well....look for websites that have done just that and see which ad banners they have on rotation.

If the results you get are anytihng less than class-leading, a page-long email talking about their testing methods, engineering excellence and justification for their generally unwarranted snobbery will soon follow. Since we make it a point to discuss our results with manufacturers prior to posting a review, most companies welcome the feedback since even negative results can help improve a product line. Thermalright on the other hand has gone so far as to request (in a round-about way) that some results not be published. Or, they request endless retests to be done to the point where the item being reviewed is no longer of interest to readers. Basically, they sow enough doubt in a reviewer's mind about his results that he will either bow to the pressure or just review the products in a positive light.

We do neither and as a result have effectively left Thermalright off our reviewing list until their practices change. I understand that Thermalright was once a market leader but the loss of several highly-valued engineers to their competitors has affected them in a negative way and it seems they are worried about the ability of their products to stand up by their own merits.
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Old August 27, 2010, 07:29 AM
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thats too bad for them and everyone looking for extensive reviews from various sites (could explain why the reviews are coming out so slowly for this)... I am seriously considering swapping out my megahalems for one of these, just so I don't cover up my ram slots (one fan isn't on properly cause the clips interfere with my ram heatsink). And I wonder if I'd really need a fan on it in my fortress2 case. If I upgrade the fans to the air penetrators, it should be enough to keep things cool.
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that has to be the king of passive,for the moment. if the review is accurate

interesting bit about their practices.

just because they were top dog once doesnt mean they got to push their products up more than they deserve...
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Old August 27, 2010, 07:56 AM
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I'll say it right here. You likely won't see another TR product reviewed here due to their practices when it comes to contesting results and general pressure towards positive reviews.

If you give their product a glowing review, you won't hear a thing from them. Give them many positive reviews and....well....look for websites that have done just that and see which ad banners they have on rotation.

If the results you get are anytihng less than class-leading, a page-long email talking about their testing methods, engineering excellence and justification for their generally unwarranted snobbery will soon follow. Since we make it a point to discuss our results with manufacturers prior to posting a review, most companies welcome the feedback since even negative results can help improve a product line. Thermalright on the other hand has gone so far as to request (in a round-about way) that some results not be published. Or, they request endless retests to be done to the point where the item being reviewed is no longer of interest to readers. Basically, they sow enough doubt in a reviewer's mind about his results that he will either bow to the pressure or just review the products in a positive light.

We do neither and as a result have effectively left Thermalright off our reviewing list until their practices change. I understand that Thermalright was once a market leader but the loss of several highly-valued engineers to their competitors has affected them in a negative way and it seems they are worried about the ability of their products to stand up by their own merits.
Very Good to know, Thanks SKYMTL I hope hard ocp is not folding under pressure or cash

edit very glad i posted this, Because now i know.
I really don't like a company that does anything beside advertise for there product outside of that the product should speak for it self.
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Old August 27, 2010, 08:01 AM
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It's terrible that they have to push such standards on a review. A review is supposed to be an unbiased look at something for what it is, not what it's supposed to be in a perfect setting where the stars align and lead to a sales boon.

I trust HWC reviews and I personally like it all the more when a reviewer isn't pressured or scared of posting negative results. Sometimes, something just isn't worth your time and I'd sooner find out by a trusted tester as opposed to buying something myself and finding out it's crap.

Freedom to discuss and criticize is probably one of the best methods and motivators that drives improvement. If Thermalright doesn't think they deserve scrutiny on their products, then maybe they should start cranking out perfect pieces of hardware that is absolutely flawless... or just shut their pie-hole.

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Wow this is one thing I like about HWC. You get to find out about juicy drama between reviewers and manufacturers.. the last one (that I can recall) being about nVidia and wanting reviews to push CUDA.
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Old August 27, 2010, 09:12 AM
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me and you both honesty it keeps them coming back
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It's a passive heatsink. What do you expect it to do; cool the CPU to sub-zero temperatures while shooting out rainbows and candy? Considering the purpose it is meant for, it did a very good job.

I like that zero!

OP. This is a fanless cooler but for sure it's not for HTPC look at the size of it lol. Get a smaller one with good silent fan and you will have good OC.
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Thermalright HR-02 - Specs & Reviews

you will have to shy away from compact cases like the plague. that or have the side open.
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Old August 27, 2010, 09:57 AM
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martin if you read all the thread you will see i run my htpc ( wife's ) in a regular case, hence why i was thinking a heavy OC G6950 with just a little bit of air moving around is said case.

Outside of that i posted just because it seems to do a very good job at cooling a 920 fan-less which a lot of heat-sinks even have problems with and it jsut lucked out we learned more form skymtl which may or may not have an effect ( that's up to hard ocp )
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