[tzetsin]

hrm, your right then, if the debate is over weather we compare apples and apples then futuremark is correct in its position, however for me personally, (and this is just me personally, dont bash me for it pls, cause its not in the same spirit of fairness that other people may use vantage for) i use futuremark benches to see if my computer is faster than yours, and it says it is (im just using you as an example, i actually just want to see where it rates in the grand scheme) i really dont care how it does it, my pc is more capable than yours is, and since you have the same opertunity to buy the same equiptment that will to the same tasks, i dont see why its a problem. So, if you want to compare apples to apples, then i have no argument, your perfectly right, but for those who compare to see if theirs is better than whoever's, then the argument will naturally be quit opposite.

so i guess my position would be that my pc is capable of 18000 marks, and it is, because it is doing exactly what it takes to get that score, but because of "how" its getting it, its not valid to futuremark for comparison purposis, but it doesnt change the fact that a computer with nv physx IS doing a better job of the tests. so i guess its this standpoint that has caused the debate eh?